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cryrst The garden of England 18 Oct 20 7.31am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Whilst we are discussing vaccines I am sure I have read somewhere that the Pharma companies working on the vaccines have been granted immunity from any comeback from side effects caused by the vaccine - cannot now find where I saw this so it might be a “conspiracy theory “.. Has anyone else seen this? If any vaccine has been produced without 'chips' I'm sure they will have they're arses sued by HMG.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Oct 20 7.31am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Whilst we are discussing vaccines I am sure I have read somewhere that the Pharma companies working on the vaccines have been granted immunity from any comeback from side effects caused by the vaccine - cannot now find where I saw this so it might be a “conspiracy theory “..

Has anyone else seen this?

If any vaccine has been produced without 'chips' I'm sure they will have they're arses sued by HMG.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Oct 20 7.34am
You can have side effects to any drug, so that would be correct imo. What's the point in trying to create the holy grail if your going to done for digging up the metal. I reckon there will be checks upon checks on the ingredient lists. If that's what it's called.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Oct 20 7.34am

You can have side effects to any drug, so that would be correct imo. What's the point in trying to create the holy grail if your going to done for digging up the metal.
I reckon there will be checks upon checks on the ingredient lists. If that's what it's called.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Oct 20 7.34am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Whilst we are discussing vaccines I am sure I have read somewhere that the Pharma companies working on the vaccines have been granted immunity from any comeback from side effects caused by the vaccine - cannot now find where I saw this so it might be a “conspiracy theory “.. Has anyone else seen this? It wouldn't surprise me and I think it is fair enough. They are being pushed to produce this vaccine asap and it still has to be signed off by NICE or whatever the appropriate agency is so unless they are falsifying records there will always be a risk that something goes wrong. I was once told that even the most successful drugs are only effective in 50-70% of cases and that for the rest they either don't work or have side effects. Edited by Badger11 (18 Oct 2020 7.34am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 Oct 20 7.34am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Has anyone else seen this?

It wouldn't surprise me and I think it is fair enough. They are being pushed to produce this vaccine asap and it still has to be signed off by NICE or whatever the appropriate agency is so unless they are falsifying records there will always be a risk that something goes wrong.

I was once told that even the most successful drugs are only effective in 50-70% of cases and that for the rest they either don't work or have side effects.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Oct 2020 7.34am)

One more point

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.48am
Originally posted by cryrst You can have side effects to any drug, so that would be correct imo. What's the point in trying to create the holy grail if your going to done for digging up the metal. I reckon there will be checks upon checks on the ingredient lists. If that's what it's called. I saw that the pharma companies will be protected from law suits. I think it’ll be covering themselves to more than headaches as side effects. It’ll be rushed and they won’t know the side effects even just 6 months after. And what if pregnant women get problems? They’re in the rollout plans. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.48am

Originally posted by cryrst

I saw that the pharma companies will be protected from law suits. I think it’ll be covering themselves to more than headaches as side effects. It’ll be rushed and they won’t know the side effects even just 6 months after. And what if pregnant women get problems? They’re in the rollout plans.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.54am
If the vulnerable want it and have it and we get back to normal then fine. Somehow I have my doubts and we’ll all end up needing to have a vaccine that is rushed by pharma companies immune from lawsuits if it goes wrong. And midwives will be vaccinating? The Times: ‘ The NHS is preparing to introduce a coronavirus vaccine soon after Christmas. Trials have shown it will cut infections and save lives, Jonathan Van-Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, has privately revealed. He told MPs last week that stage three trials of the vaccine created at Oxford University and being manufactured by AstraZeneca mean a mass rollout is on the horizon as early as December. Thousands of NHS staff are to undergo training to administer a vaccine before the end of the year. The government changed the law this weekend to expand the number of health professionals able to inoculate the public. The regulations will enable pharmacists, dentists, midwives and paramedics to administer jabs.‘ [Tweet Link] Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Oct 2020 8.56am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.54am

If the vulnerable want it and have it and we get back to normal then fine. Somehow I have my doubts and we’ll all end up needing to have a vaccine that is rushed by pharma companies immune from lawsuits if it goes wrong. And midwives will be vaccinating?

The Times:

‘ The NHS is preparing to introduce a coronavirus vaccine soon after Christmas. Trials have shown it will cut infections and save lives, Jonathan Van-Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, has privately revealed.

He told MPs last week that stage three trials of the vaccine created at Oxford University and being manufactured by AstraZeneca mean a mass rollout is on the horizon as early as December. Thousands of NHS staff are to undergo training to administer a vaccine before the end of the year.

The government changed the law this weekend to expand the number of health professionals able to inoculate the public. The regulations will enable pharmacists, dentists, midwives and paramedics to administer jabs.‘

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Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Oct 2020 8.56am)

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.57am
Patrick Vallance will be pleased ££££££££££££££ COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Oct 20 8.57am

Patrick Vallance will be pleased ££££££££££££££

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 20 9.15am
Originally posted by Badger11 And talking of vaccines I can't even get a flu jab despite the government saying there is no shortage. Now granted I am under 65 and not vulnerable but each year I am happy to pay for mine only this year I have been told by Boots, Superdrug and my local chemist the earliest I can get it is January. Why the shortage the government promised us that this wouldn't happen and yet it is worse this year then ever. I expect the NHS to have priority but these are private companies why haven't they ordered enough somebody has screwed up. At this rate I will be lucky to get the Covid vaccine this time next year. Maybe you shouldn’t worry. Somehow this season flu has been eradicated worldwide according to WHO charts and Covid is on the rise. So suddenly measures have worked for flu but not for covid. The spreadsheet is your friend, Badger. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Oct 20 9.15am

Originally posted by Badger11

And talking of vaccines I can't even get a flu jab despite the government saying there is no shortage.

Now granted I am under 65 and not vulnerable but each year I am happy to pay for mine only this year I have been told by Boots, Superdrug and my local chemist the earliest I can get it is January. Why the shortage the government promised us that this wouldn't happen and yet it is worse this year then ever.

I expect the NHS to have priority but these are private companies why haven't they ordered enough somebody has screwed up.

At this rate I will be lucky to get the Covid vaccine this time next year.

Maybe you shouldn’t worry. Somehow this season flu has been eradicated worldwide according to WHO charts and Covid is on the rise. So suddenly measures have worked for flu but not for covid. The spreadsheet is your friend, Badger.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Oct 20 10.12am
All we need is Starmer or 2-3 weeks lockdown to make this possible. [Tweet Link] COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Oct 20 10.12am

All we need is Starmer or 2-3 weeks lockdown to make this possible.

[Tweet Link]

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Eaglecoops CR3 18 Oct 20 10.18am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman All we need is Starmer or 2-3 weeks lockdown to make this possible. [Tweet Link] Police State here we come. Some advice, buy a cheap phone and give them that number. Always leave it on and always leave it at home.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Oct 20 10.18am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

All we need is Starmer or 2-3 weeks lockdown to make this possible.

[Tweet Link]

Police State here we come.

Some advice, buy a cheap phone and give them that number. Always leave it on and always leave it at home.

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Eaglecoops CR3 18 Oct 20 10.23am
Once the sanctity of doctor patient confidentiality is gone we lose a big part of our democracy. Slowly but surely our rights are being eaten away. They will try and make matters such as this the norm and to do what? So they can find someone who is completely healthy and prevent them from leaving their home, I suppose with a hefty fine thrown in. Troubling times ahead. Edited by Eaglecoops (18 Oct 2020 10.25am)
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Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Oct 20 10.23am

Once the sanctity of doctor patient confidentiality is gone we lose a big part of our democracy. Slowly but surely our rights are being eaten away. They will try and make matters such as this the norm and to do what? So they can find someone who is completely healthy and prevent them from leaving their home, I suppose with a hefty fine thrown in. Troubling times ahead.

Edited by Eaglecoops (18 Oct 2020 10.25am)

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Eaglecoops CR3 18 Oct 20 10.29am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Maybe you shouldn’t worry. Somehow this season flu has been eradicated worldwide according to WHO charts and Covid is on the rise. So suddenly measures have worked for flu but not for covid. The spreadsheet is your friend, Badger. The worrying outcome of that discovery is that they now know how to eradicate flu which gives them the perfect excuse to do this forever! Tongue in cheek as was yours but food for thought nonetheless.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Oct 20 10.29am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The worrying outcome of that discovery is that they now know how to eradicate flu which gives them the perfect excuse to do this forever! Tongue in cheek as was yours but food for thought nonetheless.

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Lombardinho London 18 Oct 20 8.32pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Whilst we are discussing vaccines I am sure I have read somewhere that the Pharma companies working on the vaccines have been granted immunity from any comeback from side effects caused by the vaccine - cannot now find where I saw this so it might be a “conspiracy theory “.. Has anyone else seen this? Yes. Ever since Ronald Reagan passed an act in 1986, pharmaceutical companies could no longer be sued. That's why now they're all so unimaginably rich and powerful.
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Lombardinho

London 18 Oct 20 8.32pm