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Stirlingsays 02 May 17 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Declare war on them. It's about time someone said that. 'Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!'
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 May 17 8.32pm | |
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Independent Editorial today:
According to these accounts, and public remarks by the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the British Government is entirely deluded about what to expect from the talks. Ms May is labouring under the illusion that she has bargaining power and that that power will be greatly enhanced if she wins a landslide victory in her unnecessary and premature general election. That is a blunder almost as historic as David Cameron's when he pledged an in/out referendum. It will lead to national disaster. The Europeans are making it as clear as they can within diplomatic conventions that the British have very few cards to play, and the EU negotiators aren't much interested in the make up of the House of Commons. So Ms May's bluff is being called, and the realities behind the diplomacy of Brexit are coming into focus. Europe is the world's largest trading and economic bloc. The UK is a great trading nation that earns an uncomfortably high proportion of its living from trade and investment with the continent. We need them more than they need us. That is the fundamental truth about the balance of power. A rational deal advantageous to both sides, which is to say superior to the status quo, is impossible, because no possible terms can be better than the single market regime. A deal that is better than no deal is possible, and desirable, and mutually beneficial – but not inevitable.
That, as they say, is the big picture. But these developments shed light on other non-trivial matters. It is plain that, whatever Theresa May and David Davis may desire, these talks are not going to be kept secret, and it is shameful that the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung knows more about what is going on than do the British people in the middle of a general election. It is something the new Commons should find intolerable. Brexit is increasingly meaning hard Brexit. If that is what this election is really about then the Prime Minister should say so. If not then she cannot take what happens on 8 June as any kind of mandate for her position and in any case she must offer the British people a say on the eventual terms of Brexit. If they are going to be as mean as they look now, then few in full possession of the facts would vote to leave, even if they'd grudgingly agree to have her in No 10. She needs to come clean with the people. Now is the time.
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matt_himself Matataland 02 May 17 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Independent Editorial today:
According to these accounts, and public remarks by the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the British Government is entirely deluded about what to expect from the talks. Ms May is labouring under the illusion that she has bargaining power and that that power will be greatly enhanced if she wins a landslide victory in her unnecessary and premature general election. That is a blunder almost as historic as David Cameron's when he pledged an in/out referendum. It will lead to national disaster. The Europeans are making it as clear as they can within diplomatic conventions that the British have very few cards to play, and the EU negotiators aren't much interested in the make up of the House of Commons. So Ms May's bluff is being called, and the realities behind the diplomacy of Brexit are coming into focus. Europe is the world's largest trading and economic bloc. The UK is a great trading nation that earns an uncomfortably high proportion of its living from trade and investment with the continent. We need them more than they need us. That is the fundamental truth about the balance of power. A rational deal advantageous to both sides, which is to say superior to the status quo, is impossible, because no possible terms can be better than the single market regime. A deal that is better than no deal is possible, and desirable, and mutually beneficial – but not inevitable.
That, as they say, is the big picture. But these developments shed light on other non-trivial matters. It is plain that, whatever Theresa May and David Davis may desire, these talks are not going to be kept secret, and it is shameful that the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung knows more about what is going on than do the British people in the middle of a general election. It is something the new Commons should find intolerable. Brexit is increasingly meaning hard Brexit. If that is what this election is really about then the Prime Minister should say so. If not then she cannot take what happens on 8 June as any kind of mandate for her position and in any case she must offer the British people a say on the eventual terms of Brexit. If they are going to be as mean as they look now, then few in full possession of the facts would vote to leave, even if they'd grudgingly agree to have her in No 10. She needs to come clean with the people. Now is the time. A biased, load of old w***, seeking to capitalise on the EU's attempt to influence the UK General Election and spread fear & misinformation. BTW, we didn't join the EU in 1973, we joined the Common Market. And joining the Common Market didn't sort out our problems in the '70s. Maggie did.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 May 17 8.50pm | |
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^^^^ It may well be biased but it could also end up being pretty much on the mark. A frightening proposition for the UK and very worrying for its - and our - prospects if so.
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matt_himself Matataland 02 May 17 8.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
^^^^ It may well be biased but it could also end up being pretty much on the mark. A frightening proposition for the UK and very worrying for its - and our - prospects if so. Politically motivated crap, peddled to try and influence the election.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 02 May 17 9.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
^^^^ It may well be biased but it could also end up being pretty much on the mark. A frightening proposition for the UK and very worrying for its - and our - prospects if so. It could but it is in Europes interest for a deal to be made too. Greece is still up s*** creek sans paddle and the impact on the euro if that's not sorted doesn't bare thinking about. Arguably we need the deal more, but that doesn't mean it isn't in the EUs interest either.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 May 17 10.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Only if you view it through that lens. It's a bit bonkers but the way this last couple of years have been is not beyond the realms of possibility, especially the bit about May's face photoshopped onto Brittania
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davenotamonkey 02 May 17 11.04pm | |
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Our divorce bill just increased to €100bn. Walk.
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davenotamonkey 02 May 17 11.09pm | |
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"The commission has never published its preferred methodology" Never has a single sentence so perfectly encapsulated the EU.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 May 17 11.13pm | |
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How could it get to that and how could the Leave nor Remain campaign keep us in the dark if that is true and our obliged financial commitments are 100bn euros? We can't walk. We owe what we owe. It will make us a bad credit risk going out into the big world. This stinks.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 May 17 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
"The commission has never published its preferred methodology" Never has a single sentence so perfectly encapsulated the EU. Has anyone asked them to?
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 May 17 12.47am | |
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Maybe remind Germany of the London Debt agreement.
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