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cryrst The garden of England 04 May 24 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So this guy decided to be corrupt years ago just so he could be indicted, found guilty and spend years in jail, just so it looks as if the cases against Trump aren’t politically motivated? Really likely! The gullible in the USA might swallow these kinds of bs conspiracy theories but it’s shameful to see people here prepared to believe it as fact. The Justice Department just doesn’t work like that. The risk to them of allowing any kind of political shenanigans to surface is far too great. This is being prosecuted by them because it needs to be. Just as Trump is being prosecuted by various States and Special Investigators. Now it’s down to the courts to look at the evidence and decide guilt or innocence. As to jury selection in Trump’s case there were hundreds looked at and rejected before they found enough able to be objective. Can they be objective? If they are honest of course they can:- I worry much more about Trump supporters slipping through the net and holding out against the others in the face of overwhelming evidence. Hold outs are the threat to justice in the current case, not where it is being held. Even if the Judge accepts a majority verdict there only needs to be 3 who believe this is really a witch hunt for him to be let off when the rest are convinced he is guilty. I doubt it but don’t you think it’s more than coincidence with the timing of it. I mean just as trump is getting his collar felt!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I doubt it but don’t you think it’s more than coincidence with the timing of it. I mean just as trump is getting his collar felt! No, I think it’s because they have the evidence and nothing else. Trump had “his collar felt“ months ago when the various indictments were issued. It’s been news for a long time, so why choose now? Those who see a conspiracy behind everything they don’t approve of will never be convinced there are simple reasons for things, but there usually are.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 May 24 9.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, I think it’s because they have the evidence and nothing else. Trump had “his collar felt“ months ago when the various indictments were issued. It’s been news for a long time, so why choose now? Those who see a conspiracy behind everything they don’t approve of will never be convinced there are simple reasons for things, but there usually are. Pot kettle black
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HKOwen Hong Kong 04 May 24 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Pot kettle black Poster boy for TDS
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Teddy Eagle 04 May 24 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That would depend on why he got off. If it became obvious it was because of hold outs refusing to convict him despite a slam dunk case then it could well work against him. If because the prosecution case is weak and appears more to do with politics than criminality, which is what many appear to believe because of Trump’s constant claims that it is, then he will benefit. I don’t see any likely carry over to the other cases. None of which, because of the level of delay tactics being employed seem likely to actually reach court before the election which if he wins would be kicked into the grass for 4 years and some subjected to a blanket self pardoning. This man is a serious danger to democracy. We saw that at the end of his first term and it’s being confirmed now. The political element is there with these references to the case being about trying to influence the election when the indictment was for accounting malpractice and also because Alvin Bragg has been clear that his intention was to "get" Trump.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Pot kettle black Of course I didn’t. The grooming gang scandal is very serious and the criminals involved need to be detected and severely punished as examples to others considering such activities. My objections to Y-L are solely because he made things worse by taking up police time and disrupting trials. He isn’t actually concerned about the victims. They are just the furniture on which he rests his true objectives. Which are to pursue a bigger, anti Islam, anti immigration agenda whilst gaining publicity and attention resulting in his receiving sufficient “donations” to live a very good lifestyle for someone who couldn’t hold down a real job because he assaulted a police officer. He is probably the most successful fascist thug to emerge from being the leader of a gang of football hooligans, but that’s all he is.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The political element is there with these references to the case being about trying to influence the election when the indictment was for accounting malpractice and also because Alvin Bragg has been clear that his intention was to "get" Trump. The references are there for sure. They are being hammered home as the central plank of the prosecution’s case. Why is that? For me it is to establish that it was Trump himself who was behind it and that it is incapable of being presented as something decided by an employee. If it is established that the motivation for burying the story about the pay off was solely in Trump’s interest and that emails, texts and testimony support the assertion that he was involved then the decision, and the guilt, rests on him. I am sure the DA wants to “get” Trump. They have wanted to nail him for years because of the corrupt practises that the Trump organisation have used. Just like Al Capone knowing someone is a criminal and proving it in a law court are two different things. Capone was nailed for income tax fraud. Maybe in time that’s what will be Trump’s downfall.
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Teddy Eagle 04 May 24 2.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The references are there for sure. They are being hammered home as the central plank of the prosecution’s case. Why is that? For me it is to establish that it was Trump himself who was behind it and that it is incapable of being presented as something decided by an employee. If it is established that the motivation for burying the story about the pay off was solely in Trump’s interest and that emails, texts and testimony support the assertion that he was involved then the decision, and the guilt, rests on him. I am sure the DA wants to “get” Trump. They have wanted to nail him for years because of the corrupt practises that the Trump organisation have used. Just like Al Capone knowing someone is a criminal and proving it in a law court are two different things. Capone was nailed for income tax fraud. Maybe in time that’s what will be Trump’s downfall. The difference being that Al Capone wasn't a politician on the other side to the District Attorney. Chicago at the time was wildly corrupt and Capone was a very rich and powerful presence- the prosecutors had to go for any charge they could against him.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 2.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The difference being that Al Capone wasn't a politician on the other side to the District Attorney. Chicago at the time was wildly corrupt and Capone was a very rich and powerful presence- the prosecutors had to go for any charge they could against him. Trump wasn’t a politician either when he upset the authorities in NY. Many have suggested his father was a closet mob boss and the Trump organisation has a long history of close connections to some dubious ”influencers”. Trump is now even more rich and powerful than Capone was. So I think there are valid parallels. That a journalist writes an oped suggesting political motivations is nothing, and proves nothing. Millions share his opinion having had it thrust at them by Trump for years through his well tested and very successful strategy of telling Big Lies so often they become thought of as the truth by many. Others disagree. I’d wager the DA does and so do I. Mine is just another opinion. No better, or worse than the journalists. The DA though knows. He’s the only one who does.
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Teddy Eagle 04 May 24 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trump wasn’t a politician either when he upset the authorities in NY. Many have suggested his father was a closet mob boss and the Trump organisation has a long history of close connections to some dubious ”influencers”. Trump is now even more rich and powerful than Capone was. So I think there are valid parallels. That a journalist writes an oped suggesting political motivations is nothing, and proves nothing. Millions share his opinion having had it thrust at them by Trump for years through his well tested and very successful strategy of telling Big Lies so often they become thought of as the truth by many. Others disagree. I’d wager the DA does and so do I. Mine is just another opinion. No better, or worse than the journalists. The DA though knows. He’s the only one who does. The opinion of a senior correspondent specialising in American politics might not prove anything but possibly matters more than those expressed on a football site in a different country.
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Houston Eagle Houston 04 May 24 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trump wasn’t a politician either when he upset the authorities in NY. Many have suggested his father was a closet mob boss and the Trump organisation has a long history of close connections to some dubious ”influencers”. Trump is now even more rich and powerful than Capone was. So I think there are valid parallels. That a journalist writes an oped suggesting political motivations is nothing, and proves nothing. Millions share his opinion having had it thrust at them by Trump for years through his well tested and very successful strategy of telling Big Lies so often they become thought of as the truth by many. Others disagree. I’d wager the DA does and so do I. Mine is just another opinion. No better, or worse than the journalists. The DA though knows. He’s the only one who does. Parallels to Capone is a new one!! The narrative republicans are a threat to democracy and democrats are sweet law abiding angels seems so far from the truth IMHO that’s it’s laughably! That’s supporters and politicians alike! Trump won’t win on a small MAGA base but more on normal Americans who fear the alternative more!
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georgenorman 04 May 24 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Trump wasn’t a politician either when he upset the authorities in NY. Many have suggested his father was a closet mob boss and the Trump organisation has a long history of close connections to some dubious ”influencers”. Trump is now even more rich and powerful than Capone was. So I think there are valid parallels. That a journalist writes an oped suggesting political motivations is nothing, and proves nothing. Millions share his opinion having had it thrust at them by Trump for years through his well tested and very successful strategy of telling Big Lies so often they become thought of as the truth by many. Others disagree. I’d wager the DA does and so do I. Mine is just another opinion. No better, or worse than the journalists. The DA though knows. He’s the only one who does. Why don't you just compare him to Emmanuel Goldstein.
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