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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 2.58pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Regulators manipulating figures to suit their own agenda is something I've witnessed on more than one occasion. You either accept it as an inevitable consequence of 'peer review', else you put your head in the sand. Witnessed? How? Regulators presenting facts that don’t match your preconceptions I can believe. Manipulation I cannot. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 2.58pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Regulators manipulating figures to suit their own agenda is something I've witnessed on more than one occasion. You either accept it as an inevitable consequence of 'peer review', else you put your head in the sand.

Witnessed? How?

Regulators presenting facts that don’t match your preconceptions I can believe.

Manipulation I cannot.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 3.06pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Look , there really is no point in saying anything even vaguely critical of the Government. Whatever information you have found to implicate wrong-doing or ineptitude, I will immediately counter this with some strong flannelling and procrastination. It is unthinkable that anyone in Government can doing anything that could be categorised as being 'wrong' or 'least best option'. It is very fortunate for you lot that I'm here to moderate your extremist views. Any criticism of 'the way things are currently done' will not be tolerated. Completely untrue. I have frequently criticised our Government in recent years, especially over Brexit, and the US Government under Trump even more. I will also defend common sense as well as point out ridiculous criticism when it occurs. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 3.06pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Look , there really is no point in saying anything even vaguely critical of the Government. Whatever information you have found to implicate wrong-doing or ineptitude, I will immediately counter this with some strong flannelling and procrastination. It is unthinkable that anyone in Government can doing anything that could be categorised as being 'wrong' or 'least best option'.
It is very fortunate for you lot that I'm here to moderate your extremist views.
Any criticism of 'the way things are currently done' will not be tolerated.

Completely untrue. I have frequently criticised our Government in recent years, especially over Brexit, and the US Government under Trump even more. I will also defend common sense as well as point out ridiculous criticism when it occurs.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 23 3.31pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Completely untrue. I have frequently criticised our Government in recent years, especially over Brexit, and the US Government under Trump even more. I will also defend common sense as well as point out ridiculous criticism when it occurs. Criticising two things with which you don't agree when one of them is in a foreign country anyway is hardly seditious.
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23 Apr 23 3.31pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Criticising two things with which you don't agree when one of them is in a foreign country anyway is hardly seditious.

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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 23 4.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This isn't new and has been discussed here before. It's more sensationalist recycling from the Mail. As our knowledge increased so the responses evolved. We started to use N95 masks which offer greater protection. Mask-wearing was always part of reassuring the public and encouraging them to participate in other preventative actions. I know I felt more comfortable when in crowded spaces knowing I wasn't going to receive the direct impact of someone else's sneeze. Regarding masks this is just false. Masks have been used for over a century and in various forms before that. The idea that we somehow didn't know how effective masks for in handling airborne viruses is utter nonsense. Many people, including many professionals were pointing out that mass mask wearing was pretty pointless......if people wanted to wear them that was one thing. The enforcement and arrest of people was utter madness. As I say some people pointed that out at the time but apparently according to you it was somehow evolving knowledge and unknowable......yeah for someone without any common sense perhaps. As subsequent releases have shown and anyone with two brain cells knew government were much more interested in controlling behaviour than they were in giving people the actual truth about the situation......masks were just one part of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2023 4.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Apr 23 4.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This isn't new and has been discussed here before. It's more sensationalist recycling from the Mail. As our knowledge increased so the responses evolved. We started to use N95 masks which offer greater protection. Mask-wearing was always part of reassuring the public and encouraging them to participate in other preventative actions. I know I felt more comfortable when in crowded spaces knowing I wasn't going to receive the direct impact of someone else's sneeze.

Regarding masks this is just false.

Masks have been used for over a century and in various forms before that. The idea that we somehow didn't know how effective masks for in handling airborne viruses is utter nonsense.

Many people, including many professionals were pointing out that mass mask wearing was pretty pointless......if people wanted to wear them that was one thing. The enforcement and arrest of people was utter madness.

As I say some people pointed that out at the time but apparently according to you it was somehow evolving knowledge and unknowable......yeah for someone without any common sense perhaps.

As subsequent releases have shown and anyone with two brain cells knew government were much more interested in controlling behaviour than they were in giving people the actual truth about the situation......masks were just one part of that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2023 4.43pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 4.26pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Criticising two things with which you don't agree when one of them is in a foreign country anyway is hardly seditious. Which is hardly surprising as I believe in democracy, the rule of law and the power of argument and reason. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 4.26pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Criticising two things with which you don't agree when one of them is in a foreign country anyway is hardly seditious.

Which is hardly surprising as I believe in democracy, the rule of law and the power of argument and reason.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 23 4.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Which is hardly surprising as I believe in democracy, the rule of law and the power of argument and reason. So apart from Brexit what are your other criticisms?
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23 Apr 23 4.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which is hardly surprising as I believe in democracy, the rule of law and the power of argument and reason.

So apart from Brexit what are your other criticisms?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 6.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Regarding masks this is just false. Masks have been used for over a century and in various forms before that. The idea that we somehow didn't know how effective masks for in handling airborne viruses is utter nonsense. Many people, including many professionals were pointing out that mass mask wearing was pretty pointless......if people wanted to wear them that was one thing. The enforcement and arrest of people was utter madness. As I say some people pointed that out at the time but apparently according to you it was somehow evolving knowledge and unknowable......yeah for someone without any common sense perhaps. As subsequent releases have shown and anyone with two brain cells knew government were much more interested in controlling behaviour than they were in giving people the actual truth about the situation......masks were just one part of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2023 4.43pm) What you claim is completely untrue. Just read this for evidence of that:- [Link] That no-it-alls with an overriding fixation on "personal freedoms" want us all to believe it was a waste of time doesn't change the truth. This was a new situation. We needed to learn. Mask-wearing was part of an effort to change people's behaviour. A change designed to benefit us all and one in which we all had a duty to participate. We don't live in isolation. What we do as individuals impacts others. Those who made spurious and worthless arguments about their "personal freedom" being infringed as a reason for not complying were just demonstrating their selfishness. The government weren't "controlling" people's behaviour at all. They were encouraging, initially through persuasion and then via some sanctions, people to behave sensibly in an emerging situation. That's their job. They need to lead, and then apply pressure on those who fail to play their part. It's as though you regard having speed limits as our government "controlling" us! They are there for our benefit because the majority of us want them to be. You don't let headstrong boy racers off the hook just because their "personal freedom" to drive at 100 mph past a school has been removed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 6.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Regarding masks this is just false.

Masks have been used for over a century and in various forms before that. The idea that we somehow didn't know how effective masks for in handling airborne viruses is utter nonsense.

As I say some people pointed that out at the time but apparently according to you it was somehow evolving knowledge and unknowable......yeah for someone without any common sense perhaps.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2023 4.43pm)

What you claim is completely untrue. Just read this for evidence of that:-

[Link]

That no-it-alls with an overriding fixation on "personal freedoms" want us all to believe it was a waste of time doesn't change the truth. This was a new situation. We needed to learn.

Mask-wearing was part of an effort to change people's behaviour. A change designed to benefit us all and one in which we all had a duty to participate. We don't live in isolation. What we do as individuals impacts others. Those who made spurious and worthless arguments about their "personal freedom" being infringed as a reason for not complying were just demonstrating their selfishness.

The government weren't "controlling" people's behaviour at all. They were encouraging, initially through persuasion and then via some sanctions, people to behave sensibly in an emerging situation. That's their job. They need to lead, and then apply pressure on those who fail to play their part.

It's as though you regard having speed limits as our government "controlling" us! They are there for our benefit because the majority of us want them to be. You don't let headstrong boy racers off the hook just because their "personal freedom" to drive at 100 mph past a school has been removed.

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Eden Eagle Kent 23 Apr 23 6.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Typical sensational and misleading headline from the Mail. The article itself says "may" and "can cause" these things along with this:- "independent doctors have questioned the conclusions of the study — which never directly looked at health complications and mask use, describing the link as 'unlikely'". Many things may or can happen. I may keel over in 5 minutes. One day I will! I may get hit by a bus next time I take a walk. Of course, proper research studies should always be done and any concerns addressed. Worrying people unnecessarily could easily encourage them to take unwise actions. It helps sell newspapers and drive people to websites though. Which do of these do you believe is more important to the Mail? That is why I framed it as potential rather than a fact and does state that it would be “unethical” to conduct the tests on humans so it is very unlikely we will get the 100% confirmation (either way) that you are seeking. Re your question about the Mail - they actively supported the Government message and fear mongering throughout the pandemic period so not sure what your point is?
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Kent 23 Apr 23 6.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Typical sensational and misleading headline from the Mail.

The article itself says "may" and "can cause" these things along with this:-

"independent doctors have questioned the conclusions of the study — which never directly looked at health complications and mask use, describing the link as 'unlikely'".

Many things may or can happen. I may keel over in 5 minutes. One day I will! I may get hit by a bus next time I take a walk.

Of course, proper research studies should always be done and any concerns addressed. Worrying people unnecessarily could easily encourage them to take unwise actions. It helps sell newspapers and drive people to websites though. Which do of these do you believe is more important to the Mail?

That is why I framed it as potential rather than a fact and does state that it would be “unethical” to conduct the tests on humans so it is very unlikely we will get the 100% confirmation (either way) that you are seeking.

Re your question about the Mail - they actively supported the Government message and fear mongering throughout the pandemic period so not sure what your point is?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 6.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So apart from Brexit what are your other criticisms? Far too many to try to remember on a Sunday afternoon when the dog needs a walk. I'm sure, if you are really curious, a few hours trawling here will reveal them. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 6.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So apart from Brexit what are your other criticisms?

Far too many to try to remember on a Sunday afternoon when the dog needs a walk. I'm sure, if you are really curious, a few hours trawling here will reveal them.

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Eden Eagle Kent 23 Apr 23 6.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This isn't new and has been discussed here before. It's more sensationalist recycling from the Mail. As our knowledge increased so the responses evolved. We started to use N95 masks which offer greater protection. Mask-wearing was always part of reassuring the public and encouraging them to participate in other preventative actions. I know I felt more comfortable when in crowded spaces knowing I wasn't going to receive the direct impact of someone else's sneeze. Sorry WE this is nonsense - from my experience I would say that only a very small minority of mask wearers used the N95 versions - they used a mix of homemade cotton/ fabric masks or the blue disposable types (which were used time and again).
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Kent 23 Apr 23 6.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This isn't new and has been discussed here before. It's more sensationalist recycling from the Mail. As our knowledge increased so the responses evolved. We started to use N95 masks which offer greater protection. Mask-wearing was always part of reassuring the public and encouraging them to participate in other preventative actions. I know I felt more comfortable when in crowded spaces knowing I wasn't going to receive the direct impact of someone else's sneeze.

Sorry WE this is nonsense - from my experience I would say that only a very small minority of mask wearers used the N95 versions - they used a mix of homemade cotton/ fabric masks or the blue disposable types (which were used time and again).

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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 23 6.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Far too many to try to remember on a Sunday afternoon when the dog needs a walk. I'm sure, if you are really curious, a few hours trawling here will reveal them. Absolutely but I won't spend more than 12 hours looking.
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23 Apr 23 6.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Far too many to try to remember on a Sunday afternoon when the dog needs a walk. I'm sure, if you are really curious, a few hours trawling here will reveal them.

Absolutely but I won't spend more than 12 hours looking.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 23 6.21pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Sorry WE this is nonsense - from my experience I would say that only a very small minority of mask wearers used the N95 versions - they used a mix of homemade cotton/ fabric masks or the blue disposable types (which were used time and again). And even then many wore them below the nose - often to stop their glasses steaming up but equally often for no reason at all.
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23 Apr 23 6.21pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

And even then many wore them below the nose - often to stop their glasses steaming up but equally often for no reason at all.

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