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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 11.41am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle There was also the case of Kendrick Lamar a couple of years ago who invited a white fan onstage to sing with him then castigated her for singing the word which appeared several times in the lyrics. Dick Gregory, among others, tried to reclaim this word in the 1960s. OK, job done - it’s decades since I heard anyone say it except comedians, actors or singers. It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 11.41am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

There was also the case of Kendrick Lamar a couple of years ago who invited a white fan onstage to sing with him then castigated her for singing the word which appeared several times in the lyrics.
Dick Gregory, among others, tried to reclaim this word in the 1960s. OK, job done - it’s decades since I heard anyone say it except comedians, actors or singers.

It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.46am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 If you can't see the distinction between the two and how the meaning and intention of the word is different when it comes from a black person than from a non-black person, then yes, you are a moron. Don't be offended by that sweet'art. But if you want to go around calling black people, racial slurs, go ahead. Just admit you're a racist. I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are. As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with. I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them. I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Dec 20 11.46am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

If you can't see the distinction between the two and how the meaning and intention of the word is different when it comes from a black person than from a non-black person, then yes, you are a moron. Don't be offended by that sweet'art.

But if you want to go around calling black people, racial slurs, go ahead. Just admit you're a racist.

I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are.

As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with.

I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them.

I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 11.50am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are. As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with. I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them. I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am) Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 11.50am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are.

As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with.

I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them.

I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am)

Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine.

La la la your mum

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 20 11.52am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine. I don't hold it against you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Dec 20 11.52am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine.

I don't hold it against you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.53am
Originally posted by ASCPFC I totally agree Rudi, and being from South London and seeing it now, that's why I will not support BLM. It's the ultimate hypocrisy and it's letting black people down. I don't know the solution. I come from one of the council estates and was always really poor, I played all day with black and white kids. I honestly never noticed colour. My mum had no issue with me being out morning til night. There was no danger. Fast forward thirty/forty years and look. Plenty of ground floors have f*ing bars on the windows. Everyone has a knife. What the hell happened? Who knows. Agree. I used to look at some of the outbursts and aggression you’d see from young black men and think they were letting their side or their own down. I try to ignore it as much as possible now. I used to have a black teacher who used to bore us senseless about Martin Luther King. I ended up realising why. He was trying to continue the good work and progress. There’s been an amount of letting those civil rights protesters down too. They didn’t put themselves in the line of batons for what’s happened and I doubt they’d be too impressed with the lack of action on knife crime either. There was a bbc documentary on about a month ago. They talked to various young black people about the riots. The one which would put the lid on BLM was about 6 people in a room advocating defunding the police. Yeah sure, a few might benefit from the extra funds for a while, but in the end it’ll end in ruin and ruin to their own areas and a return to gangsters in the mould of the Krays in other areas and probably professional security in the well heeled neighbourhoods. The poor always lose, that’s why there’s this public service thing. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.57am) COYP**
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Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.53am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I totally agree Rudi, and being from South London and seeing it now, that's why I will not support BLM. It's the ultimate hypocrisy and it's letting black people down. I don't know the solution.
I come from one of the council estates and was always really poor, I played all day with black and white kids. I honestly never noticed colour. My mum had no issue with me being out morning til night. There was no danger. Fast forward thirty/forty years and look. Plenty of ground floors have f***ing bars on the windows. Everyone has a knife. What the hell happened? Who knows.

Agree. I used to look at some of the outbursts and aggression you’d see from young black men and think they were letting their side or their own down. I try to ignore it as much as possible now. I used to have a black teacher who used to bore us senseless about Martin Luther King. I ended up realising why. He was trying to continue the good work and progress. There’s been an amount of letting those civil rights protesters down too. They didn’t put themselves in the line of batons for what’s happened and I doubt they’d be too impressed with the lack of action on knife crime either.

There was a bbc documentary on about a month ago. They talked to various young black people about the riots. The one which would put the lid on BLM was about 6 people in a room advocating defunding the police. Yeah sure, a few might benefit from the extra funds for a while, but in the end it’ll end in ruin and ruin to their own areas and a return to gangsters in the mould of the Krays in other areas and probably professional security in the well heeled neighbourhoods. The poor always lose, that’s why there’s this public service thing.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.57am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Dec 20 12.10pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited. The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all. Now in the brave new world of immigration we have to shiver in our shoes at the thought of using it along with a whole host of other phrases and sayings and anything else that it is decided has suddenly become 'offensive'. Now I get why certain words are offensive and I’m not in the habit of wishing to insult people but I'm personally sick and tired of being told what I can say and not say by woke, middle class snowflakes or anyone else who wishes to gain control of language for their own benefit. They have been on this planet no time, and they think they can dictate what is right and wrong. I have a message for them and it's not PC. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm)
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited.

The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all.

Now in the brave new world of immigration we have to shiver in our shoes at the thought of using it along with a whole host of other phrases and sayings and anything else that it is decided has suddenly become 'offensive'.
Now I get why certain words are offensive and I’m not in the habit of wishing to insult people but I'm personally sick and tired of being told what I can say and not say by woke, middle class snowflakes or anyone else who wishes to gain control of language for their own benefit. They have been on this planet no time, and they think they can dictate what is right and wrong.

I have a message for them and it's not PC.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm)

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Belmont 10 Dec 20 12.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all. Now in the brave new world of immigration we have to shiver in our shoes at the thought of using it along with a whole host of other phrases and sayings and anything else that it is decided has suddenly become 'offensive'. Now I get why certain words are offensive and I’m not in the habit of wishing to insult people but I'm personally sick and tired of being told what I can say and not say by woke, middle class snowflakes or anyone else who wishes to gain control of language for their own benefit. They have been on this planet no time, and they think they can dictate what is right and wrong. I have a message for them and it's not PC. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm) Ha Ha really who told you that.
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Belmont

10 Dec 20 12.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all.

I have a message for them and it's not PC.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm)

Ha Ha really who told you that.

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Teddy Eagle 10 Dec 20 12.23pm
Originally posted by Belmont Ha Ha really who told you that. It’s true it was used as the name of a colour. [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

10 Dec 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ha Ha really who told you that.

It’s true it was used as the name of a colour.

[Link]

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Spiderman Horsham 10 Dec 20 12.23pm
Originally posted by Belmont Ha Ha really who told you that. Do you think Barnes Wallis called his dog that name, as an insult to a race or because his dog happened to be a certain colour? Perhaps he should be erased from our history
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Horsham 10 Dec 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ha Ha really who told you that.

Do you think Barnes Wallis called his dog that name, as an insult to a race or because his dog happened to be a certain colour? Perhaps he should be erased from our history

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Belmont 10 Dec 20 12.25pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It’s true it was used as the name of a colour. [Link] Did you fully read what he said or are you just ignoring the 'not used' bit
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Belmont

10 Dec 20 12.25pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s true it was used as the name of a colour.

[Link]

Did you fully read what he said or are you just ignoring the 'not used' bit

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Dec 20 12.28pm
Originally posted by Belmont Ha Ha really who told you that. Dude, I was alive back then. I remember it as a fact.
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Hrolf The Ganger

10 Dec 20 12.28pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ha Ha really who told you that.

Dude, I was alive back then. I remember it as a fact.

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Belmont 10 Dec 20 12.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Dude, I was alive back then. I remember it as a fact. So was I dude and you are seriously saying that it wasn't used as a racial slur.
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Belmont

10 Dec 20 12.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Dude, I was alive back then. I remember it as a fact.

So was I dude and you are seriously saying that it wasn't used as a racial slur.

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