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Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 12 Nov 18 4.18pm Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Originally posted by rach_cpfc

And none of those were fair and all of them sadly ended up with some long term supporters/Season Ticket holders not coming to games anymore.

I would argue that if something as trivial as moving seat makes you stop coming then are you really a fan of the club ?

It's not being moved out of my seat to create a singing section that makes me angry. That'd be a bit annoying but I'd get it.

Thank the Lord someone at last who gets it.


It's being moved from one of the best views in the Lower Holmesdale (because, you know, I go to watch the football) to what is undoubtedly going to be a worse view because all the other decent seats are already taken.

I spoke to soon LOL (only joking), however that is a bit presumptuous on your part as nothing has been set in stone to my Knowledge.


And for some around me, those who have sat in the same seats for 20 years and have a community around them, they are now older, more vulnerable, less good and coping with change, and have said that they will probably now just stop coming. So sad.

So far the only relevant argument I have read on here amongst all the teddy's being thrown and dummies being spat. The elderly and more vulnerable people who rely on the immediate fans around them for support will suffer and that is a crying shame, and yes I concede the club should be doing more for these people if they are to move them from their match day support network.

And no, they are NOT being looked after by the club.

I think where we have been a small family club for so long people have got used to having a close relationship with the club and it's management, but as clubs get bigger invariably that relationship changes sometimes for the good of the club, and not particularly the fans. SP is in a catch 22, the HF are clearly holding him to ransom ( that I do not agree with ) but without them the atmosphere is as shyte as the Emirates, Souless. So what does he do ? lose the Atmosphere that made us the pride of South London if not entire Premiership ? or put a few peoples noses out of joint in moving them ?

To me it's a no brainer, I'm not saying it's a nice thing to do, just that it has to happen if the atmosphere is to return to Selhurst.

The only other answer is for those people in the ground to create the Atmosphere themselves ?? But to date I have not seen any stand or block (including Block E) take up the challenge.

And may I thank you for coming up an actual reason for not wanting to move, other than the normal "it's not fair " whine.

 

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bicycle repair man 12 Nov 18 5.48pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Why don't you take some of your suggested medicine and debate properly yourself as stupid childish insults are the sign of someone losing an argument


You weren't so quick to judge when Mr repair man was calling me a bigot and an idiot, from pretty much my first reply to his little Englander rant. Ig your going to try and chastise me (lol) then I suggest you read back and see who is the real child in the piece.

And I have lost no argument, the ONLY thing I keep reading is "it's not fair" from apparently grown men about having to move seats FFS get a grip. It reads like an episode of Kevin and Perry on Harry Enfield and chums.

Furthermore any one who insinuates the atmosphere hasn't changed since the HF flounced is in utter denial, and for the record It pains me to have say this AGAIN (as I have clearly stated I don't agree with the petulant manner in which they flounced.) I do not agree with the HF's actions, but to say the atmosphere has not been affected is total and utter bulls***.

This is a football forum dedicated to all things Crystal Palace and not many people (including myself) wish to debate news and politics here

Wrong again I'm afraid, have a look across the top of the website when you log in, you will see a number of tabs including ones on news and politics, general talk and Gold talk. I merely pointed out that a thread on child abuse got less interest than this one (and continues to do so) which to me speaks volumes about peoples priorities, and how self indulgent those priorities have become, when a thread on having to move seats in a football ground, gets more hit/replies/interest (however you wish to express it) than a thread on the alarming figures in relation to the rise in child abuse and the organised gangs we now have perpetrating it.

It was a comparison to hopefully show that I think the whole thing (the singing section) is being taken way way way to seriously by some when there are much much more serious issues at hand.

But fine with me if you want to ignore it, as I said speaks volumes. The amount of indignation being flung about is utterly laughable, and I'm the one being called pathetic ??? youliterally couldn't make it up.


Edited by Dannyh.V2 (12 Nov 2018 4.01pm)


Hold on,more fake news.
It's true you are bigoted with your views, that's not name calling.
I certainly didn't have a "little Englander" rant, that's simply not true.
And I've never called anyone an idiot on this message board,not even you.
You need to be doing a little fact checking.
And why on Earth are you still going on about child abuse,on a thread devoted to matters Palace ?

Edited by bicycle repair man (12 Nov 2018 6.33pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Nov 18 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man


C Hold on,more fake news.
O It's true you are bigoted with your views, that's not name
B calling.
L I certainly didn't have a "little Englander" rant, that's simply
E not true.
R And I've never called anyone an idiot on this message
S board,not even you.
You need to be doing a little fact checking.
And why on Earth are you still going on about child abuse,on a thread devoted to matters Palace ?

Edited by bicycle repair man (12 Nov 2018 6.33pm)

 


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timbob Flag 12 Nov 18 9.58pm Send a Private Message to timbob Add timbob as a friend

This is getting v v childish now

 

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Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 13 Nov 18 8.56am Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man


Hold on,more fake news.

Where have mentioned any thing Fake or untrue ?

It's true you are bigoted with your views, that's not name calling.

Simply Don't know where to begin with slice of Fried gold.

I certainly didn't have a "little Englander" rant, that's simply not true.

Yes It is.

And I've never called anyone an idiot on this message board,not even you.

Apologies, you insinuated I was less than intelligent

You need to be doing a little fact checking.

Nope, no I don't, there a very little facts available with regards to the PROPOSED moving of fans to accommodate the HF

And why on Earth are you still going on about child abuse,on a thread devoted to matters Palace ?

I was drawing a comparison, would you like me to explain the big word for you ?


Still no valid or constructive argument I see. But apparently I'm the one losing the argument.

Edited by bicycle repair man (12 Nov 2018 6.33pm)

 

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bicycle repair man 13 Nov 18 10.07am Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Any future debate with you is pointless.
if anyone holds an opposing view,you react in a childishly aggressive, condescending manner.And often go completely off topic
all together.
To reinforce your argument you just make things up.
I'd love to see evidence of my mythical "little Englander rant".

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 13 Nov 18 10.08am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

I was drawing a comparison, would you like me to explain the big word for you ?

Have a care as you're walking a thin line

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Nov 18 10.18am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

Any future debate with you is pointless.
if anyone holds an opposing view,you react in a childishly aggressive, condescending manner.And often go completely off topic
all together.
To reinforce your argument you just make things up.
I'd love to see evidence of my mythical "little Englander rant".

Look, instead of saying the same thing everyday, 10 times a day, why don’t you discuss the changes, say for instance, a full lower tier reset or no reset. Or how the fans are being treated before and after the changes, because those are what’s at stake. You may find you’re able to have an intelligent conversation about it with people on either side agreeing with you, including me, because I think the usual p1ss poor handling is derisory and insulting. Try it.

 


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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 13 Nov 18 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

This is the debate, right:

Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section:
--will improve atmosphere
--there are greater injustices in the world
--it's the club's prerogative

Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section:
--it unfairly places one group of fans over another
--the atmosphere isn't being too impacted
--it penalises some of our most loyal fans
--it will hugely disrupt the wider LH
--it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club
--the HF coukd just have waited until the old stand is expanded

what points, in very simple language, did I miss?


 


If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Nov 18 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

This is the debate, right:

Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section:
--will improve atmosphere
--there are greater injustices in the world
--it's the club's prerogative

Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section:
--it unfairly places one group of fans over another
--the atmosphere isn't being too impacted
--it penalises some of our most loyal fans
--it will hugely disrupt the wider LH
--it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club
--the HF coukd just have waited until the old stand is expanded

what points, in very simple language, did I miss?


That this adversely affects older people in favour of younger people.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Nov 18 5.17pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

The main stand, more than likely, could be years and years away, not 2-3 years.

 


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Laths Flag West of Selhurst. 13 Nov 18 5.54pm Send a Private Message to Laths Add Laths as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The main stand, more than likely, could be years and years away, not 2-3 years.

Try 10 years plus, according to a planner in Croydon Council, may never get off ground.

 

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