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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Jun 15 9.40pm
Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 8.22pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.58pm Quote on me shed son at 08 Jun 2015 5.42pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe. Prehaps, but not the bone of contention. You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA? The Soviet Union would have ended the Axis powers. The meatgrinder of the eastern front essentially did for Germany and its allies One of the key pressures to use the A-Bomb was the entry of the Russians into the Pacific campaign. Had the soviet union included large parts of the industrial, resource rich, parts of Europe and Japan, the outcome of the cold war would have been very different. The US provision of equipment and loans were essential to the British war effort, and its manpower to the Normandy Invasions. Germany would have lost, as would have Japan, ultimately, but the Eastern Bloc might very well have come out on top in the Cold War. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

Churchill didn't think so:
“To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.”

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.

Prehaps, but not the bone of contention.

You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA?

The Soviet Union would have ended the Axis powers. The meatgrinder of the eastern front essentially did for Germany and its allies

One of the key pressures to use the A-Bomb was the entry of the Russians into the Pacific campaign.

Had the soviet union included large parts of the industrial, resource rich, parts of Europe and Japan, the outcome of the cold war would have been very different.

The US provision of equipment and loans were essential to the British war effort, and its manpower to the Normandy Invasions.

Germany would have lost, as would have Japan, ultimately, but the Eastern Bloc might very well have come out on top in the Cold War.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Jun 2015 9.34pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.51pm Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat. I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis). For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease" What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing? Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input? Whether the UK would have retaken its possessions in Asia without the US bombing of Japan and drain on Japan's military capacity in the Pacific.Japan might even have invaded India and precipitated a nationalist uprising. The US was vital to war effort of all the allies, even the Red Army and Russia. Whilst arguably the writing was on the wall for the Nazi's after the failure of Operation Barborossa to deliver a blitzkrieg, the war in the far east was far from won, and the split conflict between Japan and the US, and the UK and Japan required the US intervention to allow Commonwealth forces to re-equip and take hold. It debatable how far the UK could have got without the US in terms of 'liberating europe' certainly Normandy wasn't an option, but its likely that all of Germany, Holland, Belgium and most of France would have likely as not ended up in the Walsaw pact, with the UK probably managing to claim Italy, Norway and Scandinavia, part of France. Likely Spain would have been high on Stalins final list. With Europe under the soviet, the outcome of the cold war might very well have been entirely different. I largely agree with you
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Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat.

I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis).

For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease"

What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing?

Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input?

Whether the UK would have retaken its possessions in Asia without the US bombing of Japan and drain on Japan's military capacity in the Pacific.Japan might even have invaded India and precipitated a nationalist uprising.

The US was vital to war effort of all the allies, even the Red Army and Russia. Whilst arguably the writing was on the wall for the Nazi's after the failure of Operation Barborossa to deliver a blitzkrieg, the war in the far east was far from won, and the split conflict between Japan and the US, and the UK and Japan required the US intervention to allow Commonwealth forces to re-equip and take hold.

It debatable how far the UK could have got without the US in terms of 'liberating europe' certainly Normandy wasn't an option, but its likely that all of Germany, Holland, Belgium and most of France would have likely as not ended up in the Walsaw pact, with the UK probably managing to claim Italy, Norway and Scandinavia, part of France.

Likely Spain would have been high on Stalins final list. With Europe under the soviet, the outcome of the cold war might very well have been entirely different.

I largely agree with you

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TUX redhill 08 Jun 15 9.45pm
Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.
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USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though.

Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China.

Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

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johnny the eagle wivenhoe 08 Jun 15 9.52pm
Most of this is hyperthetical anyway, as us the yanks and the Russians were all fighting in all different theaters during the war and Adolf and his lot got defeated as a result. As a side note I do remember my old man on convoys with the Royal Navy. He was escorting arms, ammo and all sorts to Russia from the U.S. So the Russians must have needed the yanks help. Otherwise why would the yanks have sent the convoys with all that gear. It all helped win the war and in my estimation it was a joint effort. So everyone did their bit and it helped bring Hitler down and end the war. South London born and bred red and blue till im dead.
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Most of this is hyperthetical anyway, as us the yanks and the Russians were all fighting in all different theaters during the war and Adolf and his lot got defeated as a result. As a side note I do remember my old man on convoys with the Royal Navy. He was escorting arms, ammo and all sorts to Russia from the U.S. So the Russians must have needed the yanks help. Otherwise why would the yanks have sent the convoys with all that gear. It all helped win the war and in my estimation it was a joint effort. So everyone did their bit and it helped bring Hitler down and end the war.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Jun 15 9.56pm
Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

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derben 08 Jun 15 10.01pm
My favorite understatement of all time was when, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese Emperor went on the radio and said "the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage".
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My favorite understatement of all time was when, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese Emperor went on the radio and said "the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage".

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TUX redhill 09 Jun 15 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence?
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this.
The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy.

Coincidence?

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derben 09 Jun 15 7.15pm
Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

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Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 7.15pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that. So, who did shoot JFK?
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

So, who did shoot JFK?

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Quote ghosteagle at 09 Jun 2015 7.24pm Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 7.15pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that. So, who did shoot JFK? Sue Ellen?
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

So, who did shoot JFK?

Sue Ellen?

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TUX redhill 09 Jun 15 8.37pm
Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 7.15pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that. Japan was provoked. JFK was a problem. I could go further and mention the unwarranted(WTF!) Federal collection of gold placed on the US citizens back in the day but hey, i'll save that for my next draft. I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered
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Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

Japan was provoked.
JFK was a problem.
I could go further and mention the unwarranted(WTF!) Federal collection of gold placed on the US citizens back in the day but hey, i'll save that for my next draft.

I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered

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Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 8.37pm Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 7.15pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that. Japan was provoked. JFK was a problem. I could go further and mention the unwarranted(WTF!) Federal collection of gold placed on the US citizens back in the day but hey, i'll save that for my next draft. I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered Clearly then, General Sadao Araki was provoked into saying, "It is Japan's mission to be supreme in Asia, the South Seas and eventually the four corners of the world." Did the communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, take his orders direct from the Federal Reserve? (but of course you will say he didn't do it - more conspiracy).
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered

Clearly then, General Sadao Araki was provoked into saying, "It is Japan's mission to be supreme in Asia, the South Seas and eventually the four corners of the world."

Did the communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, take his orders direct from the Federal Reserve? (but of course you will say he didn't do it - more conspiracy).

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