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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 24 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Houston Eagle
I’m not sure how you can draw “unarguable proof” based on the testimony so far! Even CNN agree there is nothing yet to directly link Trump to the alleged crime! It will come down to a jury to validate serial liar Cohen and if they believe what he says! Despite everyone’s best intentions to send Trump to the gallows I think they will be left disappointed with tears and tantrums on full display!! i There is a relentless case being constructed which says nothing happened without Trump’s approval and that the campaign buried the story because of their concern about its impact on female voters. Not yet an email directly from him instructing it. You wouldn’t expect that on this or any subject from Trump. But very strong indirect links. Trump isn’t going to be sent to the gallows. A heavy fine is the worst he can expect. Damage to his reputation with independent voters is much more important. That should happen whether he found guilty or let off because of a hold out on the jury.,
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Teddy Eagle 03 May 24 9.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
i There is a relentless case being constructed which says nothing happened without Trump’s approval and that the campaign buried the story because of their concern about its impact on female voters. Not yet an email directly from him instructing it. You wouldn’t expect that on this or any subject from Trump. But very strong indirect links. Trump isn’t going to be sent to the gallows. A heavy fine is the worst he can expect. Damage to his reputation with independent voters is much more important. That should happen whether he found guilty or let off because of a hold out on the jury., Seems a risky strategy to charge him on one thing and then introduce motivation as a key factor. Are independent voters going to be swayed? If they haven't already made their minds up about Trump then why should this influence them?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 24 10.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Seems a risky strategy to charge him on one thing and then introduce motivation as a key factor. Are independent voters going to be swayed? If they haven't already made their minds up about Trump then why should this influence them? I don’t know why New York are handling it this way. I can only guess. It seems they have been hacked off with Trump and his organisation’s behaviour for many years. So nailing him for falsifying business records in these particular circumstances might be providing a sense of achievement and demonstrating to others that no matter how big they think they are they aren’t above the law. Introducing the motivation is, I think, needed to avoid Trump’s defence claiming plausible deniability. If the prosecution can show that Trump knew what was being done and why, then that defence fails. The possible impact on independent voters is therefore a side effect. Who knows how strong it might be, but surveys have indicated that some would be influenced by a guilty verdict making Trump the first ex President to also be a convicted criminal.
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Teddy Eagle 03 May 24 10.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t know why New York are handling it this way. I can only guess. It seems they have been hacked off with Trump and his organisation’s behaviour for many years. So nailing him for falsifying business records in these particular circumstances might be providing a sense of achievement and demonstrating to others that no matter how big they think they are they aren’t above the law. Introducing the motivation is, I think, needed to avoid Trump’s defence claiming plausible deniability. If the prosecution can show that Trump knew what was being done and why, then that defence fails. The possible impact on independent voters is therefore a side effect. Who knows how strong it might be, but surveys have indicated that some would be influenced by a guilty verdict making Trump the first ex President to also be a convicted criminal. But is it the court's responsibility to try to influence voters?
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cryrst The garden of England 03 May 24 11.01pm | |
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Thin end of a very large wedge. Maybe if the dems were a shoe in for a win come November this wouldn’t make chip paper.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 24 11.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But is it the court's responsibility to try to influence voters?
It’s not the job of the prosecution either. I explained in my previous post what I think may lie behind it and that any effect on voting intentions is a side effect. To balance that possible effect is the publicity this gives Trump. It keeps him in the headlines and allows him to preach his witch-hunt excuses into the ears of the gullible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 24 11.11pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Thin end of a very large wedge. Maybe if the dems were a shoe in for a win come November this wouldn’t make chip paper. Why? All I think it shows is the independence of the Justice Department in dealing with alleged corruption. Or is this a witch hunt?
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Teddy Eagle 03 May 24 11.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s not the job of the prosecution either. I explained in my previous post what I think may lie behind it and that any effect on voting intentions is a side effect. To balance that possible effect is the publicity this gives Trump. It keeps him in the headlines and allows him to preach his witch-hunt excuses into the ears of the gullible. Not as much as the effect of him getting off the charges. And if he does the effect on the other cases he's facing could be considerable.
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Stirlingsays 04 May 24 12.08am | |
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Given that the jury selection is....as the OJ case proved....pretty much the decisive factor in court case outcomes this case was decided the moment that it was held in New York. We all know that it's all performative and a show trial by Democrats so desperate that they'll subvert their own republic. Mind you when you look at the modern day Democratic party this was inevitable.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 May 24 2.11am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why? All I think it shows is the independence of the Justice Department in dealing with alleged corruption. Or is this a witch hunt? Because it is a side show to getting trump sorted to say look it’s not just trump.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 8.09am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Because it is a side show to getting trump sorted to say look it’s not just trump. So this guy decided to be corrupt years ago just so he could be indicted, found guilty and spend years in jail, just so it looks as if the cases against Trump aren’t politically motivated? Really likely! The gullible in the USA might swallow these kinds of bs conspiracy theories but it’s shameful to see people here prepared to believe it as fact. The Justice Department just doesn’t work like that. The risk to them of allowing any kind of political shenanigans to surface is far too great. This is being prosecuted by them because it needs to be. Just as Trump is being prosecuted by various States and Special Investigators. Now it’s down to the courts to look at the evidence and decide guilt or innocence. As to jury selection in Trump’s case there were hundreds looked at and rejected before they found enough able to be objective. Can they be objective? If they are honest of course they can:- I worry much more about Trump supporters slipping through the net and holding out against the others in the face of overwhelming evidence. Hold outs are the threat to justice in the current case, not where it is being held. Even if the Judge accepts a majority verdict there only needs to be 3 who believe this is really a witch hunt for him to be let off when the rest are convinced he is guilty.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 24 8.21am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not as much as the effect of him getting off the charges. And if he does the effect on the other cases he's facing could be considerable. That would depend on why he got off. If it became obvious it was because of hold outs refusing to convict him despite a slam dunk case then it could well work against him. If because the prosecution case is weak and appears more to do with politics than criminality, which is what many appear to believe because of Trump’s constant claims that it is, then he will benefit. I don’t see any likely carry over to the other cases. None of which, because of the level of delay tactics being employed seem likely to actually reach court before the election which if he wins would be kicked into the grass for 4 years and some subjected to a blanket self pardoning. This man is a serious danger to democracy. We saw that at the end of his first term and it’s being confirmed now.
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