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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Apr 17 10.45pm | |
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The tories have redefined that essential to the British way of life, the Chinese take-away.
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Stirlingsays 22 Apr 17 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Are you saying I'm unpatriotic? What other posters do you think are unpatriotic because they have left wing views. I don't know you but I doubt that if I did....judged upon what I've read that I'd describe you as particularly patriotic. Listening to the left trying to re-define what patriotism is and then referring to nationalism by pointing to Hitler kind of tells you all you need to know.
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davenotamonkey 22 Apr 17 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
But in your words leaving the EU is the best thing that has ever happened so the UK cannot be failing or suffering can it? Unless you know that it is going to fail or suffer but you cannot bear to face reality. Reality: no one path is perfect and without obstacles. I've acknowledged that (as did the campaign). My point however stands: it will be the best thing that has ever happened to the UK. I'm afraid we are not all instant-gratification 24hr-news addicts. Some of us see the big picture and longer term. So, if we don't get a US FTA within the 4 months it took Jordan, or if it us longer than the average 18 months it currently takes, so bloody what? It's a "price" worth paying to be out of a progressively centralising, federalising profligate political experiment for which (with incoming net recipient members) we will pay ever more into, have ever less influence over, and hand ever more authority and competence to. And herein lay the problem with the Remainiac campaign. They spent so much time trying to terrify us, they didn't offer up what our future (or even a positive future) would hold under the EU. We've gone from a trading association of a few nations to smuggling in a 28-bloc federalist constitution through the back door in the space of 40 years. No one could tell us what laws we'd have rammed through into our statute books in 10 years time, which destitute countries we'd next be bankrolling, what our budget contributions would be next year, or even how many economic migrants would arrive. Little wonder the Leave side focused on the complete lack of control we have over such fundamentals. The deflection, or even outright lie that a vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo was utterly outrageous, and it showed in polling afterwards: voters were not sold on an ever-closer EU superstate and more damning still, the Remain side lacked the integrity and honesty in selling this as both their position and the inevitable fate of this country. So, if you'll excuse me, I'll happily take some short-term inconvenience and obstacles (much of it engineered by that lovely progressive club you lot fantasise over) to be well rid of the EU.
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 17 12.00am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Reality: no one path is perfect and without obstacles. I've acknowledged that (as did the campaign). My point however stands: it will be the best thing that has ever happened to the UK. I'm afraid we are not all instant-gratification 24hr-news addicts. Some of us see the big picture and longer term. So, if we don't get a US FTA within the 4 months it took Jordan, or if it us longer than the average 18 months it currently takes, so bloody what? It's a "price" worth paying to be out of a progressively centralising, federalising profligate political experiment for which (with incoming net recipient members) we will pay ever more into, have ever less influence over, and hand ever more authority and competence to. And herein lay the problem with the Remainiac campaign. They spent so much time trying to terrify us, they didn't offer up what our future (or even a positive future) would hold under the EU. We've gone from a trading association of a few nations to smuggling in a 28-bloc federalist constitution through the back door in the space of 40 years. No one could tell us what laws we'd have rammed through into our statute books in 10 years time, which destitute countries we'd next be bankrolling, what our budget contributions would be next year, or even how many economic migrants would arrive. Little wonder the Leave side focused on the complete lack of control we have over such fundamentals. The deflection, or even outright lie that a vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo was utterly outrageous, and it showed in polling afterwards: voters were not sold on an ever-closer EU superstate and more damning still, the Remain side lacked the integrity and honesty in selling this as both their position and the inevitable fate of this country. So, if you'll excuse me, I'll happily take some short-term inconvenience and obstacles (much of it engineered by that lovely progressive club you lot fantasise over) to be well rid of the EU. Good points.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Apr 17 12.18am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Reality: no one path is perfect and without obstacles. I've acknowledged that (as did the campaign). My point however stands: it will be the best thing that has ever happened to the UK. I'm afraid we are not all instant-gratification 24hr-news addicts. Some of us see the big picture and longer term. So, if we don't get a US FTA within the 4 months it took Jordan, or if it us longer than the average 18 months it currently takes, so bloody what? It's a "price" worth paying to be out of a progressively centralising, federalising profligate political experiment for which (with incoming net recipient members) we will pay ever more into, have ever less influence over, and hand ever more authority and competence to. And herein lay the problem with the Remainiac campaign. They spent so much time trying to terrify us, they didn't offer up what our future (or even a positive future) would hold under the EU. We've gone from a trading association of a few nations to smuggling in a 28-bloc federalist constitution through the back door in the space of 40 years. No one could tell us what laws we'd have rammed through into our statute books in 10 years time, which destitute countries we'd next be bankrolling, what our budget contributions would be next year, or even how many economic migrants would arrive. Little wonder the Leave side focused on the complete lack of control we have over such fundamentals. The deflection, or even outright lie that a vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo was utterly outrageous, and it showed in polling afterwards: voters were not sold on an ever-closer EU superstate and more damning still, the Remain side lacked the integrity and honesty in selling this as both their position and the inevitable fate of this country. So, if you'll excuse me, I'll happily take some short-term inconvenience and obstacles (much of it engineered by that lovely progressive club you lot fantasise over) to be well rid of the EU. Remain didn't push the reform from within and power of veto angle enough imo. Guess the choice now is who do we most trust to lead the negotiations? As it is, it's up in the air who we'll be dealing with. As I said earlier we're arguing about conjecture and what ifs. Personally I think that some form of movement(not necessarily free) will be a non negotiable if we are to get any kind of decent deal.
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 17 12.29am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Remain didn't push the reform from within and power of veto angle enough imo. Guess the choice now is who do we most trust to lead the negotiations? As it is, it's up in the air who we'll be dealing with. As I said earlier we're arguing about conjecture and what ifs. Personally I think that some form of movement(not necessarily free) will be a non negotiable if we are to get any kind of decent deal. Seriously who are you kidding about reform in the EU Nick? Not going to happen willingly. It has been spoken about for decades as a kind of fig leaf but the EU hasn't changed and isn't changing and anyone pushing that myth is doing so with zero evidence for it. If 'free movement' ends up in the deal it will see the Tory government fall. No deal is better than that. That's why I agree with this snap election. It gives the government the option of doing that without the lip tremblers derailing it. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2017 12.33am)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Apr 17 12.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Seriously who are you kidding about reform in the EU Nick? Not going to happen willingly. It has been spoken about for decades as a kind of fig leaf but the EU hasn't changed and isn't changing and anyone pushing that myth is doing so with zero evidence for it. If 'free movement' ends up in the deal it will see the Tory government fall. No deal is better than that. That's why I agree with this snap election. It gives the government the option of doing that without the lip tremblers derailing it. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2017 12.33am) Do you think Theresa likes it hard or soft?
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 17 12.59am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you think Theresa likes it hard or soft?
Pretty when younger....though a slightly robotic like body. Hard....all women should take it hard.
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steeleye20 Croydon 23 Apr 17 3.19am | |
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As a european I am against any concession or deal with the UK. You divorced so f**k of out of it and take your brexit with you.
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 17 7.41am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As a european I am against any concession or deal with the UK. You divorced so f**k of out of it and take your brexit with you. So we expect you to be leaving shortly then.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Apr 17 7.43am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As a european I am against any concession or deal with the UK. You divorced so f**k of out of it and take your brexit with you. Cheerio!
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Apr 17 9.05am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So we expect you to be leaving shortly then. I really do hope so as he is an idiot!
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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