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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 9.54am | |
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Hardly. They were not prosecuted! Being fined by a regulator for not having adequate procedures is not the same. There is no suggestion of illegality just a need to improve internal processes. Which is not good, but something that reviews will identify. That’s why they exist.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Aug 23 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As you obviously didn’t read the link I provided on the subtle, but vital, difference between cause and reason I will provide it again so there’s at least a chance that you might grasp the point. Of course I know that Farage obtained the report. That’s what started all of this. As I know that the CEO gave a misleading interview. The report did not though confirm that he was targeted because of his political opinions. That’s just the way it has been spun by Farage and the right-wing press to be gobbled up by people like you. What it did was describe those opinions in unfortunate terms, for which an apology was made. That doesn’t mean they were the reason for his debanking, only that they were the cause of it. His views could have been considered controversial for a whole host of other reasons and the result been the same. He is a PEP. The only thing that must be conceded is that you are unlikely to understand this. What I understand is that you are defending something that is fundamentally wrong. You are wrong. I also understand that you will never admit that. Hiding behind pedantry is always a good indicator, as if it were needed here.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Aug 23 10.03am | |
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Don't you people have jobs to go to ? Have you got that much time to waste trying to win an internet argument ? you can't reason with stupid.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What I understand is that you are defending something that is fundamentally wrong. You are wrong. I also understand that you will never admit that. Hiding behind pedantry is always a good indicator, as if it were needed here. You are entitled to believe it is fundamentally wrong. I have not expressed an opinion on that because it isn’t, and never has been, the issue. There’s nothing therefore to admit or deny. The issue is that it is lawful for the bank to take whatever decisions it wants to take. If the government wants to change the law, then fine. Let them bring an Act before Parliament or amend a current one.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Don't you people have jobs to go to ? Have you got that much time to waste trying to win an internet argument ? you can't reason with stupid. I have heaps to do, but also need to sit rather longer these days. Reasoning with stupid is something I do here pretty much every day.
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georgenorman 03 Aug 23 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have heaps to do, but also need to sit rather longer these days. Reasoning with stupid is something I do here pretty much every day. "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken." [Oliver Cromwell, 1650]
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Aug 23 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Don't you people have jobs to go to ? Have you got that much time to waste trying to win an internet argument ? you can't reason with stupid. Nope. Been there done that. Today, for example, I have already connected and tested an old record deck which I will almost never use. I have to lift some weights when I have finished this post, then I will have lunch. After that, I have to clone and replace a hard drive in my PC with a bigger one. Is that OK?
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 03 Aug 23 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Surely the cost of monitoring someone as high profile as Farage with significantly controversial and divisive opinions and with rumours of funding from Russia around him, even if unsubstantiated, would be significant and not comparable to an average PEP. Would that not be enough on its own to make a bank want shot of him? What you, I, or anyone else as individuals want from our bank is beside the point. It must be down to the bank itself, via whatever reasoning they decide to use, to determine what’s in their best interests. If they decide to virtue signal that’s their choice. If you decide to close your account as a consequence that’s yours. Well you’re wrong again. I don’t know what the current review period is for PEPS with Coutts, and that would also depend on the risk classification of a PEP. So at NatWest a PEP review was typically every 3 years. That may have changed and it’s entirely possible that Coutts review on a more regular basis. All bank accounts are screened for suspicious activity. The regular man on the street can suddenly find his account blocked because a transaction on his account has triggered an alert. 99% of the time these are not genuine causes for concern but are ‘ false positives ‘ This screening is of course automated and sits in the background, but the follow up investigations are manually processed. Farage had no suspicious transactions reported on his account. I know you are concerned that the cost of these reviews could be prohibitive but most big banks, and NatWest Group is one such bank, have offshored these processes to low cost centres. In their case, Poland and India. Back to Farage. Far from causing any potential resource or expense issues in holding his accounts, Coutts were in the process of actually down grading his internal risk rating to that of a low level PEP. And that was from Medium to Low Risk. This was probably ( I can’t say for certain but this is what my experience tells me ) as a result of a review. This would play into my original theory that somebody in Coutts - could be the RM could be a member of their WM Risk Committee , thought they could play the ‘ Values ‘ card and exit him. They determined that his views on Brexit, Immigration and ( ffs ) Climate Change were “ at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation “ How about Treating Customer Fairly - what happened to that ? And don’t lecture me about what I want from my bank. And yes, if I care enough or it’s affecting their ability to deliver a service, I can move my account. My point is that all this trying to be ‘ fluffy and cuddly ‘ is neither desired or expected by me. Other people may see that as a reason for doing business with them - fine.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 23 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hardly. They were not prosecuted! Being fined by a regulator for not having adequate procedures is not the same. There is no suggestion of illegality just a need to improve internal processes. Which is not good, but something that reviews will identify. That’s why they exist. So being fined on separate occasions for laundering billions in Russian money is less of a reputational risk than an unproven allegation of a client having having accepted some.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Aug 23 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nope. Been there done that. Today, for example, I have already connected and tested an old record deck which I will almost never use. I have to lift some weights when I have finished this post, then I will have lunch. After that, I have to clone and replace a hard drive in my PC with a bigger one. Is that OK? Hard life hrolf, I feel sorry for you
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Aug 23 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nope. Been there done that. Today, for example, I have already connected and tested an old record deck which I will almost never use. I have to lift some weights when I have finished this post, then I will have lunch. After that, I have to clone and replace a hard drive in my PC with a bigger one. Is that OK? Serious question. Did you find it hard to adapt after you retired, I mean from the reason to get out of bed mantra or did you plan. Maybe a good thread to be started from you recently (5 years or so retired) as I’m ten years away and don’t have a clue what I’m goner do tbh. Probably diy but after that I’m stuffed. Obs if I make it that long.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Aug 23 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Serious question. Did you find it hard to adapt after you retired, I mean from the reason to get out of bed mantra or did you plan. Maybe a good thread to be started from you recently (5 years or so retired) as I’m ten years away and don’t have a clue what I’m goner do tbh. Probably diy but after that I’m stuffed. Obs if I make it that long. It is essential to have some sort of routine. I exercise 6 days a week minimum, sometimes twice a day, so that is a reason to get up at a sensible time. I enjoy relaxation. I embrace doing nothing when I can. I know that some people can't just do nothing, and they have to fill their time with something perceived as purposeful. There are always jobs that need doing around the house if you want to, or if you don't. Personally, I'm very happy not to work. I'm done with doing things I don't like, and I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to stop at my age.
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