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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 23 9.40pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And the effects on young people?

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Needs to be assessed and dealt with. I think myself that most actually recover pretty quickly, given the opportunity and encouragement to do so. Spotting those who don't is the challenge but as I think this has been an under-recognised problem for a long time a new focus on it could turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 23 9.50pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Weren't "Big Pharma" given carte blanche with these vaccines with the 'no liability' clauses when they were released whilst still under clinical trial?

Don't "Big Pharma" actually make more money than even Dr Campbell from selling their stuff?

I am not privy to the contracts but I think some kind of indemnity was offered in view of the need to deliver quickly and avoid any reticence. Rather than throw brickbats at the Pharmaceutical industry we should be very grateful that the resources existed that enabled the development, and testing, to be such a pace. If they report excess profits as a consequence then windfall taxation is the right way to deal with it, rather than restrictive contracts at the development stage. That's what we have done with the energy companies.

Big Pharma make billions, and also spend billions on research, most of which result in products that never see the light of day. Campbell makes millions and doesn't, so far as I am aware, spend a 1p on research.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 22 Apr 23 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not privy to the contracts but I think some kind of indemnity was offered in view of the need to deliver quickly and avoid any reticence. Rather than throw brickbats at the Pharmaceutical industry we should be very grateful that the resources existed that enabled the development, and testing, to be such a pace. If they report excess profits as a consequence then windfall taxation is the right way to deal with it, rather than restrictive contracts at the development stage. That's what we have done with the energy companies.

Big Pharma make billions, and also spend billions on research, most of which result in products that never see the light of day. Campbell makes millions and doesn't, so far as I am aware, spend a 1p on research.

They made a few billion from this.


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 23 10.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They made a few billion from this.


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AstraZeneca and its partnership with Oxford always impressed me with its attitude towards supplying the third world at cost.

That it's now becoming endemic and continuing doses are likely to be required it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they start to expect a modest return. If you read the article it is only modest.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 22 Apr 23 11.19pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

AstraZeneca and its partnership with Oxford always impressed me with its attitude towards supplying the third world at cost.

That it's now becoming endemic and continuing doses are likely to be required it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they start to expect a modest return. If you read the article it is only modest.

Not that modest.

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Eden Eagle Flag Kent 23 Apr 23 8.12am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

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Article from DM discussing potential links between wearing face masks and health issues such as cognitive decline and still births.

 

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Eden Eagle Flag Kent 23 Apr 23 8.17am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

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Further article from DM referring to the Cochrane Institute study of over 1m people that masks made “little to no difference in covid infection or death rates”

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 10.37am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

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Article from DM discussing potential links between wearing face masks and health issues such as cognitive decline and still births.

Typical sensational and misleading headline from the Mail.

The article itself says "may" and "can cause" these things along with this:-

"independent doctors have questioned the conclusions of the study — which never directly looked at health complications and mask use, describing the link as 'unlikely'".

Many things may or can happen. I may keel over in 5 minutes. One day I will! I may get hit by a bus next time I take a walk.

Of course, proper research studies should always be done and any concerns addressed. Worrying people unnecessarily could easily encourage them to take unwise actions. It helps sell newspapers and drive people to websites though. Which do of these do you believe is more important to the Mail?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 10.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

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Further article from DM referring to the Cochrane Institute study of over 1m people that masks made “little to no difference in covid infection or death rates”

This isn't new and has been discussed here before. It's more sensationalist recycling from the Mail. As our knowledge increased so the responses evolved. We started to use N95 masks which offer greater protection. Mask-wearing was always part of reassuring the public and encouraging them to participate in other preventative actions. I know I felt more comfortable when in crowded spaces knowing I wasn't going to receive the direct impact of someone else's sneeze.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 23 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As people like Brand have shown and many before him, the US pharmaceutical industry partly fund the very regulation of their products. The people sitting on regulation boards often get jobs within those very companies and hence the obvious conflicts of interest aspects in regulating companies who you later could be rewarded by is stark.

You of course either can't be bothered to see the obvious or just don't care.

It’s neither that I don’t care nor that it’s obvious! It’s that the inferences are untrue.

Requiring users to help fund their own regulation regime is done in many industries. It’s another form of targeted taxation and encourages participation and cooperation from the outset.

When you are recruiting from a specific pool of expertise it’s inevitable that some will come from your competitors, some from universities and research establishments and some from regulators. Nothing unusual in that either.

The important thing is to ensure the terms of reference within the regulation bodies are watertight, work is subject to peer review, done by teams and not by individuals, and subject to exterior oversight. Anyone found compromising the standards for personal gain then risks losing everything.

As I believe that to be the case these are just cheap slurs intended to further undermine confidence and typical of a YouTuber with eyes on his bank account.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 23 Apr 23 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Look , there really is no point in saying anything even vaguely critical of the Government. Whatever information you have found to implicate wrong-doing or ineptitude, I will immediately counter this with some strong flannelling and procrastination. It is unthinkable that anyone in Government can doing anything that could be categorised as being 'wrong' or 'least best option'.
It is very fortunate for you lot that I'm here to moderate your extremist views.
Any criticism of 'the way things are currently done' will not be tolerated.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 23 Apr 23 2.52pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s neither that I don’t care nor that it’s obvious! It’s that the inferences are untrue.

Requiring users to help fund their own regulation regime is done in many industries. It’s another form of targeted taxation and encourages participation and cooperation from the outset.

When you are recruiting from a specific pool of expertise it’s inevitable that some will come from your competitors, some from universities and research establishments and some from regulators. Nothing unusual in that either.

The important thing is to ensure the terms of reference within the regulation bodies are watertight, work is subject to peer review, done by teams and not by individuals, and subject to exterior oversight. Anyone found compromising the standards for personal gain then risks losing everything.

As I believe that to be the case these are just cheap slurs intended to further undermine confidence and typical of a YouTuber with eyes on his bank account.

Regulators manipulating figures to suit their own agenda is something I've witnessed on more than one occasion. You either accept it as an inevitable consequence of 'peer review', else you put your head in the sand.

 


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