I've spoken about this before. I've no real desire to directly address PA and have tried to avoid that but you seem determined to expand upon the subject. So as that's the route you've taken I'll respond.

First off I want to correct a direct lie in that article.
To quote it 'Patriotic Alternative (PA) wants to remove all non-white people from the UK.' That's a lie and it isn't the stated aim....so straight off the bat everything else has to taken in that light.

For those actually interested in what PA promote as their politics here is a link to their plans:

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The far left, plus 'hate not hate' are a heavily funded group who spend a lot of time monitoring groups, especially PA. Within any group there is a left and right and while I'm not a member nor in official PA forums (though I see members in telegram) however it's unfortunately true that you get the neo nazi types who will say this kind of stuff and when that has happened on Telegram I push back against.....not that I've ever come across stuff about Cox's murderer or Tarrant.

Same as you had communists joining Labour movements in the seventies. It would be wrong to portray that as the majority but I'm afraid that's the impression you are trying to create here.

You're essentially trying to give the impression that PA supports Brenton Tarrant and ignoring all the statements its given to the contrary and except highlighting comments from nutters.....are those actual members or plants? Deliberate operations on infiltration and known to occur precisely for this purpose. The article you link to openly admits to infiltration but how do we know that they don't also plant messages directly for their own purposes as well? I don't know how many of these are nutters or plants. Hope not Hate's leadership has admitted in the past that it will use unethical means as part of its aims.

Personally, I think anyone associating with violence as a means to stop the great replacement needs to be banned from a group. .....PA is the largest dissident group campaigning against naive Britain being turned into a minority within their own homelands and so it's getting a lot of well funded far left activist activity.

However I regard it the ensuring of majority status within our own homelands as a far too important objective in European history for it to be side tracked with nutters.

I'm not interested in which group works towards that I'm interested in that aim.....I'm well aware that there are forces working directly against that who aren't interested in fairness or balance to achieve their aims in creating the precise opposite.

I think I heard that being said on a PA podcast and if that's right it's probably Sam Melia. That is being taken out of context if it's suggesting some kind of commitment to violence because it wasn't. It's talking about the commitment levels required compared to the size and strength of the forces pitted against it....who won't even support the democratic process.

I've already addressed this. This party is against the demographic replacement of the British into minority status within their own ancestral home. How that is achieved is multifold. However force is not one of those means and I wouldn't support that anyway.

I'm sorry if that a purely voluntary question offends you and/or your partner. However, I'm highly offended by policies that mean my children will become a minority probably by their forties....A high majority of their ancestors who fought in wars last centuries wars would be shocked.

There is a side to PA that I don't support. Like I've said in the past I don't think Mark Collett is the best to represent PA due to comments he's made in the past. However, this was no different to Corbyn leading the Labour party. A guy who made McDonnell, a guy who had previously admitted to being a communist, his shadow chancellor. McDonnell then went on to wave Moa's little red book in the commons....Moa being responsible for the death of tens of millions.

Now did you ever highlight this? Do you condemn the tens of millions of people who voted for Corbyn because of these associations? No.....and I didn't either because there is a difference between supporting the Labour party and directly supporting everything about who leads it or nutters within it saying crazy stuff....they don't represent the whole.

I think you have deliberately tried to represent PA within that same light.

I support the stated aims within the plan I linked to.....I don't support what nutters or plants say on far off forums.

Well, you've said this many times now. However, other than this topic area where there is significant discord between us I quite enjoy your contributions for the different angle they represent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2022 3.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Agree - Major is a reminder of what conservative politics can look like.

He admitted his mistake and saved his marriage. He certainly has better judgement than many over Brexit and has had the foresight to realise why the EU was, and still ought to be, part of our future. He has been consistent on this, unlike Johnson who has changed sides purely on the basis of political opportunism, and never conviction.

As an irrelevant fact we were both born in the same hospital a few months apart. Pity he supports Chelsea though. I don't appreciate that!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

And you voted for him?

I used to think he was a decent man who got slaughtered by the press (and the left) when PM and at the time maybe that was correct.

However since he left office like Hessletine he has become a bitter old man who can't stand that he is not seen as the Tory grandee that the young politicians go to for advice. Blair is another one who can't hack that their time is over.

I am not saying he is wrong on Boris just that I stopped listening to him during the Brexit campaign some of what he said was absolute garbage and quite disgraceful for someone who held high office. Nothing wrong in being against Brexit but he was more remoaner than remainer.

Yesterday's man who was a terrible PM. Don't take my word for that just look at what the Labour party said at the time.

One more point

I hope you change your mind, as you will be missed. Although to be honest I can understand it. I can accept differences of opinion on Brexit and how best to deal with the pandemic, lockdowns and vaccinations. Even if I believe those determined to not co-operate deserve to be treated as pariahs and extended no sympathy. I can accept other political viewpoints too.

What I find very difficult to stomach is anyone who has even a touch of sympathy for the nauseous "great replacement theory" and political movements, like "Patriotic Alternative", whose policies subscribe to it.

A previous reply to you encouraged readers to read their plan. I hope they did. It can be found here:- [Link]

You can read the Wiki entry on PA here:- [Link]

I find some of their ideas shocking. The statement on who are British, especially so. If they have tried to register as a political party, and been refused, I am unsurprised, as this is a clearly illegal position. This is racism. I don't want it anywhere near me, or have any contact with it.

Whilst I am pretty disgusted to see anyone here expressing support for these views I am gratified that the echo chamber for them is very limited, although I would be happier to read outright condemnations. Whatever our politics might be, no-one truly British, or patriotic, thinks like this.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.