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Park Road 15 Jun 18 2.14pm
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd I covered this a little further on from this post, I said I agree that grooming gangs in communities needs to be stamped out. Ive just realised as I was writing this that TR was saying that police need to investigate this when at a court case where the police clearly investigated it, rounded everyone up involved and were in court, surely it proves that the police are taking action? Surely thats the one situation where TR wasnt needed? Anyway, my point was that TR is a terrible ambassador for your cause so you should distance yourself from him. Gerry Adams is a leftie like me but I certainly wouldnt be stupid enough to quote him to support any arguement I was trying to make because most people would assume im wrong because Gerry Adams is a d1ck. And in terms of using facts, both sides think they are using 'facts' to argue their case. Both sides normally twist facts to support their case so claiming 'your side uses facts' is normally a bit of a waste... "Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war" Gerry Adams Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho
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15 Jun 18 2.14pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

I covered this a little further on from this post, I said I agree that grooming gangs in communities needs to be stamped out.
Ive just realised as I was writing this that TR was saying that police need to investigate this when at a court case where the police clearly investigated it, rounded everyone up involved and were in court, surely it proves that the police are taking action? Surely thats the one situation where TR wasnt needed?

Anyway, my point was that TR is a terrible ambassador for your cause so you should distance yourself from him. Gerry Adams is a leftie like me but I certainly wouldnt be stupid enough to quote him to support any arguement I was trying to make because most people would assume im wrong because Gerry Adams is a d1ck.

And in terms of using facts, both sides think they are using 'facts' to argue their case. Both sides normally twist facts to support their case so claiming 'your side uses facts' is normally a bit of a waste...

"Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war"

Gerry Adams

Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho

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Park Road 15 Jun 18 2.56pm
Originally posted by Park Road "Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war" Gerry Adams Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho [Link]
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15 Jun 18 2.56pm

Originally posted by Park Road

"Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war"

Gerry Adams

Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Jun 18 5.04pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Here is the fact you refuse to acknowledge: 'British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: It's very important we talk about it' [Link] Ok great, but we've already covered this. Quilliam claim that some pakistani communities have a problem with grooming, while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white. This may surprise you but I actually think both are right. But the question to sdk in both cases is why? What is it that connects these disparate and equally hideous issues? I would argue that in both cases the dominant issue at play is a male abuse of power. To draw out a cultural/racial conclusion seems secondary to the fact that in almost all cases we are talking about men doing the abusing. That pattiarchy extends across cultural lines, and across racial lines, is the big issue we must tackle as a civilised society. If instead you are fixated on the race or religion of a portion of groomers, the question becomes this: what is it about that religion or culture specifically which makes people from it any more likely to abuse than others? Now this is a question we could ask of both whiteness (according to the NCA) or pakistani heritage (according to Quilliam) and I think the answers would be very revealing on both counts, but will leave it to others to do so. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Here is the fact you refuse to acknowledge: 'British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: It's very important we talk about it' [Link]

Ok great, but we've already covered this. Quilliam claim that some pakistani communities have a problem with grooming, while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white.

This may surprise you but I actually think both are right. But the question to sdk in both cases is why? What is it that connects these disparate and equally hideous issues? I would argue that in both cases the dominant issue at play is a male abuse of power.

To draw out a cultural/racial conclusion seems secondary to the fact that in almost all cases we are talking about men doing the abusing. That pattiarchy extends across cultural lines, and across racial lines, is the big issue we must tackle as a civilised society.

If instead you are fixated on the race or religion of a portion of groomers, the question becomes this: what is it about that religion or culture specifically which makes people from it any more likely to abuse than others? Now this is a question we could ask of both whiteness (according to the NCA) or pakistani heritage (according to Quilliam) and I think the answers would be very revealing on both counts, but will leave it to others to do so.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Direwolf Lincoln 15 Jun 18 5.10pm
I quite liked 2468 Motorway.
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I quite liked 2468 Motorway.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 18 5.14pm
Originally posted by Park Road "Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war" Gerry Adams Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho you may hate 'wee jarry' ... have you heard the rumours that much of 'the troubles' was to stop paedophilia. Paedo's like Ted Heath and many others from leading movers and shakers from the British establishment using Ulster kids as fodder ? the kincora boys home and all that. Of course, these are only rumours and when it comes to organised paedophilia you can always trust the cops, courts, newspapers, social workers etc etc. Follow the link, it goes all the way up to the top of the establishment and is 'explosive' [Link] [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2018 5.52pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Park Road

"Making peace, I have found, is much harder than making war"

Gerry Adams

Hate the c+nt. A quote I would agree with tho

you may hate 'wee jarry' ... have you heard the rumours that much of 'the troubles' was to stop paedophilia. Paedo's like Ted Heath and many others from leading movers and shakers from the British establishment using Ulster kids as fodder ?

the kincora boys home and all that. Of course, these are only rumours and when it comes to organised paedophilia you can always trust the cops, courts, newspapers, social workers etc etc.

Follow the link, it goes all the way up to the top of the establishment and is 'explosive'

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Park Road 15 Jun 18 5.22pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Ok great, but we've already covered this. Quilliam claim that some pakistani communities have a problem with grooming, while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white. This may surprise you but I actually think both are right. But the question to sdk in both cases is why? What is it that connects these disparate and equally hideous issues? I would argue that in both cases the dominant issue at play is a male abuse of power. To draw out a cultural/racial conclusion seems secondary to the fact that in almost all cases we are talking about men doing the abusing. That pattiarchy extends across cultural lines, and across racial lines, is the big issue we must tackle as a civilised society. If instead you are fixated on the race or religion of a portion of groomers, the question becomes this: what is it about that religion or culture specifically which makes people from it any more likely to abuse than others? Now this is a question we could ask of both whiteness (according to the NCA) or pakistani heritage (according to Quilliam) and I think the answers would be very revealing on both counts, but will leave it to others to do so. On religion specifically, if your leader enyoyed the company of Minors,and there is a book about it, then your answer lies there. If on the other hand you are a priest sworn to celibacy, the most un natural human condition, then your answer is there.
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15 Jun 18 5.22pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok great, but we've already covered this. Quilliam claim that some pakistani communities have a problem with grooming, while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white.

If instead you are fixated on the race or religion of a portion of groomers, the question becomes this: what is it about that religion or culture specifically which makes people from it any more likely to abuse than others? Now this is a question we could ask of both whiteness (according to the NCA) or pakistani heritage (according to Quilliam) and I think the answers would be very revealing on both counts, but will leave it to others to do so.

On religion specifically, if your leader enyoyed the company of Minors,and there is a book about it, then your answer lies there. If on the other hand you are a priest sworn to celibacy, the most un natural human condition, then your answer is there.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jun 18 5.41pm
Originally posted by serial thriller while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white. Could you show me this again, are you drawing that from the statistic that I showed you because that was from 2014. Been a lot happening since then. Also, that figure was false as to what was actually going on because we now know this Police and other institutions were looking the other way because of race and religion. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jun 18 5.41pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

while the NCA say 84% of those convicted are white.

Could you show me this again, are you drawing that from the statistic that I showed you because that was from 2014.

Been a lot happening since then.

Also, that figure was false as to what was actually going on because we now know this Police and other institutions were looking the other way because of race and religion.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Jun 18 6.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Could you show me this again, are you drawing that from the statistic that I showed you because that was from 2014. Been a lot happening since then. Also, that figure was false as to what was actually going on because we now know this Police and other institutions were looking the other way because of race and religion. It’s in the link from Penge. But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause? Why is it for example that Islam now is the biggest exponent of terrorism, but that in the Middle Ages it was the biggest exponent of science and mathematics, and the Ottomans were ruling over a fairly peaceful empire while Europeans were fighting each other all over the world? You lot have to prove that your not just being instinctively hostile to a scapegoat, but that there is genuine content and context behind your accusations. Otherwise the majority of society will continue to ignore you. Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 15 Jun 18 6.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Could you show me this again, are you drawing that from the statistic that I showed you because that was from 2014.

Been a lot happening since then.

Also, that figure was false as to what was actually going on because we now know this Police and other institutions were looking the other way because of race and religion.

It’s in the link from Penge.

But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause?

Why is it for example that Islam now is the biggest exponent of terrorism, but that in the Middle Ages it was the biggest exponent of science and mathematics, and the Ottomans were ruling over a fairly peaceful empire while Europeans were fighting each other all over the world?

You lot have to prove that your not just being instinctively hostile to a scapegoat, but that there is genuine content and context behind your accusations. Otherwise the majority of society will continue to ignore you.

Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm)

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 18 6.38pm
Originally posted by serial thriller It’s in the link from Penge. But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause? Why is it for example that Islam now is the biggest exponent of terrorism, but that in the Middle Ages it was the biggest exponent of science and mathematics, and the Ottomans were ruling over a fairly peaceful empire while Europeans were fighting each other all over the world? You lot have to prove that your not just being instinctively hostile to a scapegoat, but that there is genuine content and context behind your accusations. Otherwise the majority of society will continue to ignore you. Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm) Nice isolation tactic. I'm sure the majority agree with him. The idea that the sheer scale and frequency of Asian grooming gangs is just the norm and comparable to anything that ever happened before is just barmy. It is because of people like you that it was allowed to go on for so long.
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Originally posted by serial thriller

It’s in the link from Penge.

But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause?

You lot have to prove that your not just being instinctively hostile to a scapegoat, but that there is genuine content and context behind your accusations. Otherwise the majority of society will continue to ignore you.

Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm)

Nice isolation tactic. I'm sure the majority agree with him.
The idea that the sheer scale and frequency of Asian grooming gangs is just the norm and comparable to anything that ever happened before is just barmy. It is because of people like you that it was allowed to go on for so long.

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dannyboy1978 16 Jun 18 8.31am
Racist thug, should have been put away for a long time. [Link]
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16 Jun 18 8.31am

Racist thug, should have been put away for a long time.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jun 18 9.42am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Racist thug, should have been put away for a long time. [Link] I'd be checking on his immigration status. You've only got to get arrested on a misdemeanor here & they'll revoke your green card Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jun 18 9.42am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Racist thug, should have been put away for a long time.

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I'd be checking on his immigration status. You've only got to get arrested on a misdemeanor here & they'll revoke your green card

Pro USA & Israel

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 18 9.55am
Originally posted by serial thriller It’s in the link from Penge. That doesn't help me a lot, there are 61 pages. Originally posted by serial thriller But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause? Why is it for example that Islam now is the biggest exponent of terrorism, but that in the Middle Ages it was the biggest exponent of science and mathematics, and the Ottomans were ruling over a fairly peaceful empire while Europeans were fighting each other all over the world? Hang on.....Why do you keep repeating this myth? You are repeating Islamic propaganda that isn't actually true. There is truth in the fact that early Islam had some advances in maths....but the Hindus did more and we don't hear propaganda from them pushing this idea that they were vital. And in terms of science. They did some good work on optics but the Muslims didn't make the practical advances in science that actually produced stuff, the Muslims mostly used it for religious purposes. Everyone was using 'best practice' from the best books they could find and translate. All societies did this. However, it was the west and the Chinese that pushed on and it was the west that actually developed science and mathematics and created the modern world. Also....frankly I find your attempted sanitationation of the Ottoman empire as 'a fairly peaceful empire' as hilarious. Especially in the light of your previous aggressive condemnations of British imperialism. Calling the Ottoman empire 'fairly peaceful' has as much validity as describing the crusades as 'fairly peaceful'. Originally posted by serial thriller You lot have to prove that your not just being instinctively hostile to a scapegoat, but that there is genuine content and context behind your accusations. Otherwise the majority of society will continue to ignore you. Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm) Oh the irony in these words. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2018 10.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 18 9.55am

Originally posted by serial thriller

It’s in the link from Penge.

That doesn't help me a lot, there are 61 pages.

Originally posted by serial thriller

But even if things have changed, surely that only proves that religion isn’t the primary cause?

Hang on.....Why do you keep repeating this myth? You are repeating Islamic propaganda that isn't actually true.

There is truth in the fact that early Islam had some advances in maths....but the Hindus did more and we don't hear propaganda from them pushing this idea that they were vital. And in terms of science. They did some good work on optics but the Muslims didn't make the practical advances in science that actually produced stuff, the Muslims mostly used it for religious purposes. Everyone was using 'best practice' from the best books they could find and translate. All societies did this. However, it was the west and the Chinese that pushed on and it was the west that actually developed science and mathematics and created the modern world.

Also....frankly I find your attempted sanitationation of the Ottoman empire as 'a fairly peaceful empire' as hilarious. Especially in the light of your previous aggressive condemnations of British imperialism.

Calling the Ottoman empire 'fairly peaceful' has as much validity as describing the crusades as 'fairly peaceful'.

Originally posted by serial thriller

Edited by serial thriller (15 Jun 2018 6.24pm)

Oh the irony in these words.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2018 10.58am)

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