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wordup  01 Dec 17 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The non existent god save us from the hubris of lefties who think themselves so knowing and superior over the 'duped' as they see it. Their type of attitude accounts for a lot of his votes. Most people know what Trump is and represents. I suspect the number of people fooled by him isn't any higher than the number fooled by any other politician. It's fine for us to just let justice take its course. Neither the left or right have an monopoly on common sense or being fooled. Trump was a crap option out or two available bad options. Saying that he throws out these these tweets to keep his supporters onside while acting completely differently with regard to policy, is not a value judgment on anyone, it's a statement of fact.
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 Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
It's fine for us to just let justice take its course. Neither the left or right have an monopoly on common sense or being fooled. Trump was a crap option out or two available bad options. Saying that he throws out these these tweets to keep his supporters onside while acting completely differently with regard to policy, is not a value judgment on anyone, it's a statement of fact.
Perhaps because he's the other side and the reactions to him are so hyperbolic and 'tea party' like that you just notice it more. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2017 6.10pm)
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
If you'd said a few months back that Flynn would be facing doing time you'd be seen as some kind of conspiracy theorist. As you say, it's best to just follow these never ending developments that offer an increased understanding of what happened during this election.
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Ray in Houston  Houston 01 Dec 17 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Trump is no different to all the politicians....they all lie...he's just more blatant. Perhaps because he's the other side and the reactions to him are so hyperbolic and 'tea party' like that you just notice it more.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Is that a Kate Bush impression?
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Perhaps because he's the other side and the reactions to him are so hyperbolic and 'tea party' like that you just notice it more. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2017 6.10pm) It has very little to do with sides, his behaviour as a human being and a president is ludicrous and an outlier for the role which will likely remain so. I had problems with Obama, but if he'd behaved like Trump he of course wouldn't have got anywhere near the presidency in the first place, which alone tells us somehting. Or if he had, it would've been a sad reflection of the party and country. While I mock fringe groups, I don't ever go after 'the left' or 'the right' in sweeping statements because it's so broad as to be meaningless. Besides, a persons politics tells you very little about them in a human to human sense.. unless they become their politics .. its important not to reach that stage.
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Judge says Michael Flynn agreed to provide 'substantial assistance for prosecution of another person'
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| Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
Judge says Michael Flynn agreed to provide 'substantial assistance for prosecution of another person' On the basis that Flynn's plea deal seems to be about as soft as it could've gone, the expectation is that he's got the goods on someone up the chain - it's only in such circumstances that prosecutors give such favorable deals. Who's up the chain from Flynn? Only Pence* and Trump.
Pence is man of much more meagre means than Trump, who is paying his own substantial legal defense costs while those of Trumps Sr. and Jr. are being picked up by the Republican Party. Flynn was also paying his own defense costs, and the simple fact that their supposed-billionaire boss - and his son, for some reason - are getting a free ride while they're cashing in retirement savings and their kids' college funds may push more Trump underlings into Mueller's open arms. Does anyone imagine that Pence will take the fall for Trump? Nope...didn't think so. This isn't the mafia; Trump turns on people in a nanosecond and everyone in this mess knows it. I suspect Mueller's phone has been blowing up today with people looking to get a deal before there are no more deals to be had. Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 9.20pm)
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| .TUX. 01 Dec 17 9.36pm |
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Ron Paul should've got the gig.
Buy Litecoin. |
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| wordup 01 Dec 17 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
On the basis that Flynn's plea deal seems to be about as soft as it could've gone, the expectation is that he's got the goods on someone up the chain - it's only in such circumstances that prosecutors give such favorable deals. Who's up the chain from Flynn? Only Pence* and Trump.
Pence is man of much more meagre means than Trump, who is paying his own substantial legal defense costs while those of Trumps Sr. and Jr. are being picked up by the Republican Party. Flynn was also paying his own defense costs, and the simple fact that their supposed-billionaire boss - and his son, for some reason - are getting a free ride while they're cashing in retirement savings and their kids' college funds may push more Trump underlings into Mueller's open arms. Does anyone imagine that Pence will take the fall for Trump? Nope...didn't think so. This isn't the mafia; Trump turns on people in a nanosecond and everyone in this mess knows it. I suspect Mueller's phone has been blowing up today with people looking to get a deal before there are no more deals to be had. Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 9.20pm) I'm thinking Kushner, who will then either have to be honest or do time. I expect measures are already in place to take things to a state level, should Trump start getting pardon happy.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 10.16pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I'm thinking Kushner, who will then either have to be honest or do time. I expect measures are already in place to take things to a state level, should Trump start getting pardon happy.
As to pardons, it's important to note that - once pardoned for a crime - you cannot then "plead the 5th" to avoid answering questions (the 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination is moot once you've been pardoned). Also, Presidential pardons can only be given for federal crimes, and we know that Mueller has been coordinating with the NY AG because there are plenty of state-level prosecutions that can be brought here. Lastly, while Trump has already had his Constitution wonks looking into whether he can pardon himself (seriously), that's missing the point. It's almost impossible to see a scenario where a sitting President gets indicted - he gets impeached, thrown out of office and then indicted, if it goes that far. At that point, he'll be looking to President Pence (or, more likely, President Ryan) for a pardon that may well be forthcoming. Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 10.19pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Dec 17 1.22am |
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What s going on with the new tax bill about to go through? [Tweet Link]
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