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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Aug 15 2.06pm
Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?
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Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

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Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

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Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK.

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up.

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

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matt_himself Matataland 11 Aug 15 2.26pm
Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 11 Aug 15 2.26pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

[Link]

Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Aug 15 3.07pm
Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument
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Sedlescombe 11 Aug 15 3.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

[Link]

Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument

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chris123 hove actually 11 Aug 15 3.35pm
Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 3.07pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument Absolutely no evidence of this, if they move shareholders will have to approve first, the long term risk for Hong Kong is the post 2047 influence of China. If they want to move from London - Singapore or New York would be better options.
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hove actually 11 Aug 15 3.35pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 3.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

[Link]

Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

Absolutely no evidence of this, if they move shareholders will have to approve first, the long term risk for Hong Kong is the post 2047 influence of China. If they want to move from London - Singapore or New York would be better options.

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matt_himself Matataland 11 Aug 15 3.43pm
Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 3.07pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument Two completely different situations. The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment). Brazil is f*ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f* hole. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm

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Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

[Link]

Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

Two completely different situations.

The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment).

Brazil is f***ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f*** hole.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 3.43pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 3.07pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument Two completely different situations. The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment). Brazil is f*ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f* hole. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm) Brazil is the world leader though in Transgender Re-assignment operations apparently, so they have that to fall back on. Certainly they can't rely on the international football to cheer them up. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

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Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

Two completely different situations.

The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment).

Brazil is f***ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f*** hole.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm)

Brazil is the world leader though in Transgender Re-assignment operations apparently, so they have that to fall back on. Certainly they can't rely on the international football to cheer them up.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 3.43pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 3.07pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm The Socialist Utopia of Cuba. [Link] Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor. Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'? It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party. Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so. Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK. Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy Careful with your examples. HSBC are now likely to stay headquarter in hte UK due to the replacement of the bank regulator, easing of over regulation, a change in dynamic in the management of the company with the chairman assuming more executive power who is pro UK and concerns over political risk in HK. I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from? You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it Should HSBC choose to move headquarters, they will not exit the UK totally. They will still have a big presence in the form of investment banking before the question of whether they sell their retail arm comes up. HSBC have completely exited Brazil. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am) That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them? what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost? HSBC is separating its retail and investment business in the UK. Yes, the retail arm is likely to be renamed. They may well sell the retail arm. should they sell the retail arm they will still retain a presence I the UK through their investment arm, similar to all major banks. They have to as the City is a world centre for banking and they have to have a presence for, amongst many things, providing services to clients who are undergoing IPO's on the FTSE, currency trading and corporate loan deals. You used HSBC as an example of how miserable you regard Brazil as being. You also need to take into account that they apparently don't think much of Britain either though will off necessity need to keep some presence in London. I don't think using international banks is a particularly helpful backing for your argument Two completely different situations. The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment). Brazil is f*ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f* hole. Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm) I would have thought that was the point. Soon industries will be able to open in Brazil and pay even less than they are in India or China. A couple of backhanders and you could probably have an almost gratis slave labour workforce. I hate to say it but in the long run it is probably Western Europe that is f***ed as our population ages and we become less and less relevant we will become ripe pickings for the investors from less established countries. Truly, God help us if the Asian nations were in any way militarily desposed as I don't think our drones will save us and we don't seem to have the will to fight anything. We hardly have the will to get up off our backsides and change the channel on the TV. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Aug 15 4.56pm

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Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 2.26pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 11 Aug 2015 2.06pm

Quote matt_himself at 11 Aug 2015 7.30am

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 8.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.50pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 10 Aug 2015 5.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Aug 2015 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Aug 2015 4.03pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 10 Aug 2015 2.31pm

The Socialist Utopia of Cuba.

[Link]

Still pretty decent for a third world country. The capitalist utopia of Brazil seems like a great place to be poor.

Do you truly believe that Brazil is a 'capitalist utopia'?

It's a quasi Communist planned economy and the country is led by Dilma Rousseff who heads up the Workers Party.

Big business is exiting the country on a daily basis. HSBC has become the most recent large corporate to do so.

Careful with your examples. HSBC are also well down the path of exiting the UK as well. They are likely to sell what used to be Midland and move HQ to HK.

Don't think anyone would accuse Osborne of running a planned economy

I never said Osbourne ran a planned economy. Where did you get that nonsense from?

You were making reference to international companies leaving Brazil and quoting HSBC as an example. My response was that they are doing the same here so hardly a unique comment on Brazil is it

HSBC have completely exited Brazil.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 7.31am)

That is far from obvious. Why do you think they are removing the HSBC name from their UK branches if not to sell them?

what is the point you are trying to make as I am lost?

Two completely different situations.

The feeling is that HSBC are threatening to withdraw their headquarters from the UK to gain concessions from the government they want (and are getting their own way at the moment).

Brazil is f***ed. Pure and simple. A bureaucratic, corrupt, stagnating f*** hole.

Edited by matt_himself (11 Aug 2015 3.44pm)

I would have thought that was the point. Soon industries will be able to open in Brazil and pay even less than they are in India or China. A couple of backhanders and you could probably have an almost gratis slave labour workforce. I hate to say it but in the long run it is probably Western Europe that is f***ed as our population ages and we become less and less relevant we will become ripe pickings for the investors from less established countries. Truly, God help us if the Asian nations were in any way militarily desposed as I don't think our drones will save us and we don't seem to have the will to fight anything. We hardly have the will to get up off our backsides and change the channel on the TV.

Red and Blue Army!

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My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Aug 15 10.11am
Quote reborn at 11 Aug 2015 7.42pm [Link] Keep building those machine guns though A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right. But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Keep building those machine guns though

A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right.

But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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npn Crowborough 12 Aug 15 10.23am
Quote reborn at 11 Aug 2015 7.42pm [Link] Keep building those machine guns though I have no argument with the article, but there's nothing in there that really tells me anything I wouldn't have regarded as pretty obvious. For me, the question still has to be dealt with from the bottom up, i.e. finding out why these people are willing to risk everything to get over/under the channel, rather than stay in France where they are already safe. We seem to have ascertained it's not the benefits, so what? The work? The relative ease of the black economy? Lack of ID cards? Friends/family? The warm loving embrace of the English? The language? Until we know why, stopping them (even if 100% effective in Calais) is simply moving the problem to the next port.
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I have no argument with the article, but there's nothing in there that really tells me anything I wouldn't have regarded as pretty obvious.

For me, the question still has to be dealt with from the bottom up, i.e. finding out why these people are willing to risk everything to get over/under the channel, rather than stay in France where they are already safe. We seem to have ascertained it's not the benefits, so what? The work? The relative ease of the black economy? Lack of ID cards? Friends/family? The warm loving embrace of the English? The language?

Until we know why, stopping them (even if 100% effective in Calais) is simply moving the problem to the next port.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Aug 15 10.25am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 10.11am Quote reborn at 11 Aug 2015 7.42pm [Link] Keep building those machine guns though A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right. But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem). I love how anyone who disagrees with the lefty liberal clap trap is a "rabid Right" It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington. Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott. As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it. Loathsome woman. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 10.11am

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Keep building those machine guns though

A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right.

But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem).

I love how anyone who disagrees with the lefty liberal clap trap is a "rabid Right"

It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington.

Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott.

As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it.

Loathsome woman.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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npn Crowborough 12 Aug 15 10.34am
Quote dannyh at 12 Aug 2015 10.25am Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 10.11am Quote reborn at 11 Aug 2015 7.42pm [Link] Keep building those machine guns though A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right. But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem). I love how anyone who disagrees with the lefty liberal clap trap is a "rabid Right" It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington. Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott. As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it. Loathsome woman. I liked this in the Corbyn thread, said without a hint of irony: "Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters."
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 10.11am

Quote reborn at 11 Aug 2015 7.42pm

[Link]

Keep building those machine guns though

A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right.

But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem).

I love how anyone who disagrees with the lefty liberal clap trap is a "rabid Right"

It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington.

Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott.

As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it.

Loathsome woman.

I liked this in the Corbyn thread, said without a hint of irony:

"Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters."

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