Conspiracy theories are for comforting and to make sense of confusion. Or for individuals to fulfill a need to hold superior knowledge. As well as the frustration that others won’t agree there’s also some satisfaction they don’t and when they can say whatever when they don’t, or that can be for comforting purposes. On here it’s more the former. On Twitter it’s also the latter. Some people who appear quite normal suddenly turn as if they’re in Village of the Damned.

Probably some trying to be funny as well. Not really funny, and not due to poor taste.

One I think of to myself is of a Chinese Bond type villain on the phone to the secret services.

‘’Now you close your pubs at 10 so everyone congregates outside for you get the real killer virus’’

‘’Tell everyone no more than 6 in a house 2 months before your festive season’’

‘’Now gyms in the North’’

‘’Lockdown there, and there. Next there’’

Cackle cackle

Actually I am concerned about the Chinese. There’s never a mention of them. Why? Too delicate - told to? Chinese ban on speaking beyond boundaries? What? Press told not to because of West concerns that things get out of hand if opinions start bubbling over? Worries about people boycotting Chinese goods. That didn’t last and probably couldn’t live without them for too long.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Oct 2020 11.52pm)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Oct 2020 12.00am)

COYP

I agree, that's why it's important for the sake of saving lives to attribute a level of importance to combined measures such as masks, testing, track and trace, good hygiene and so on. These cultures are more able to get on with that without feeling the need to undermine any or all of these aspects as 'pointless'. They were better prepared, and 'why bother' doesn't improve things. People should not need to endlessly be questioned when they advocate that testing has its place and that wearing a good quality mask is a good idea. Especially as I say with some of the more 'out there' comments that go unquestioned here as long as they're deemed to be attacking any covid related concern.

Yes, that's a good point. Cultures are what they are and while for a short time they can be modified slightly, it's wishful thinking to imagine that suddenly everyone will behave in a completely different way for a year plus. Painful economic realities are unfolding, and at the same time I do think this period has led to people being introspective and aware about what's important to them in their community and so hopefully they will take that with them going forward whatever shape we end up in.

We should perhaps also be attributing more blame towards the actual virus itself. With anything new it takes time to deduce what we're dealing with and so the retrospective this country got it right, this one got it wrong is more an academic exercise and as you say cultural observation than something we shouldn't definitely got right. In a sense I'd say that the least controversial measure of what steps should be taken and how bad things are is probably the number of deaths. It may have been better to focus the public attention on that for a sense of perspective even if it is imperfect in one direction or another.

Yes, there are two sides, theres this and then there's a look at excess deaths which worldwide are greater than covid numbers. That can possibly be attributed in part to additional covid deaths, but also other deaths as result of covid geared resources delaying ops, cancer treatments and so on. Partially we can certainly blame government dictats and focus for that, but again across the world they're winging it so frustrations geared solely towards people are often just another knock on effect of what is likely to happen during a pandemic. We need some structure in place though, especially for cancer patients, we owe them that.

I think that a singular focus in one direction is a type of comfort blanket. It disowns any personal responsibility to a stance because it makes it 'obvious' that we should or shouldn't take a certain action when often that is by no means certain when there's a range of options and uncertainties before us.
Like now for instance, I'd be against a national lockdown because frankly in some areas testing indicates that there aren't even many cases, so what's the feasible upside of additional economic hurt. But if or where an area was out of control and death count rising by the day, I couldn't in good conscience say that we should simply do 'nothing' there. However if I'd convinced myself that the deaths were largely due to something else, or the numbers weren't real, or it was not reality in some way then I certainly could do that. So I see the elimination of nuance at this time as a way of coping with something where whatever path you go down is much worse than what came before.

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Oh I certainly agree with that, but possibly for different reasons. There's so much worldwide that's at a tipping point that it makes decades gone by look like something out of a happy clappy coke commercial!

Interesting that someone with a different viewpoint to that of the Government and MSM is branded a “conspiracy theorist “.

So many people now are waking up to the view that the Government response to this is hugely disproportionate and their reliance on lockdown is causing so much more harm than CV19 will do.

My opinion, for what it is worth, I do believe it is about a “vaccine” however this is for financial gain rather than chipping purposes (at least I hope it is).

Whilst it is unlikely to be mandatory I believe that you will need one to travel, possibly work, visit social environments (Selhurst?) etc so life will be very challenging if you do not have one.

I do have the hope that this agenda is unraveling, more MSM coverage offering a different view and more people are starting to question the narrative.

For clarity I do believe that this virus exists and does unfortunately hasten some peoples death - I do question the numbers quoted for reasons covered in much detail previously.

You're right. It might not be mandatory but without a certificate of vaccination (proof you've had it - this may be in the form of a chip under the skin) the work, travel and socials will be out of reach. It'll be like topping up your Oyster card. Each year they'll be a new jab to take.

Morning Cryst,
I don't have a TV anymore.
Lies, propaganda and fear mongering.
They're even interfering with MOTD. VAR has made that show full of lies too!