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‘At the beginning of the crisis, Russia introduced new fines and jail terms for anyone who spread information seen as false, which state media says was a measure against fake news about the pandemic.’

Is boris being hard enough?
We are going to get smashed up by this virus?

Calm down. I know it’s a lot and a barrage of posts but you’ll feel better if you read all of my posts and tweets by Michael Yeadon today from page 602 at 8:02am to the end.

Whenever I turn on tv news I get ‘exponential’ and fear ramping buzz words and stories of hospitals being overrun and full. They are not.

Admissions are not people suffering with Covid. They are people going into hospital for anything, including a broken toe, and testing ‘positive’ with Covid (see tweet on the faulty test).

Be cautious because it is serious for some, but don’t believe all you read or hear, including tv reporters trying to report an overrun Covid Ward when there’s only a few in there. And don’t start trusting Russians or their govt lol. Read the posts. Worth it.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Oct 2020 8.38pm)

In my humble opinion, each nation ( with a few exceptions) took a bung to spread fear, confusion and lies to make their population compliantly roll up their collective sleeves for a mandatory vaccination.

Boris accepted the bung sometime between 19th and 23rd of March 2020

Cryst, this was a reply to you on 11 Sept. I can’t disagree today.

I have concerns about China and no mention of them on tv news at any point is a little suspicious.

At some point the lockdown security blankets are going to have to accept the cure is worse than the disease. The problem is their hardship comes later and maybe too late. Public sector (office included) and work from homer’s.

So instead of actually being in the middle of a pandemic (of the magnitude that is unprecedented in our lifetime) you think that the vast majority of countries in the world have been 'paid off' in order to lie about it, and scare people into having a vaccination for a virus that you don't even think is a problem to begin with? What is the point of this 'mandatory vaccination' then?

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2020 10.38pm)

Different cultures invite different outcomes. Where Italians are a very touchy feely bunch which is a negative at a time like this, Sweden has essentially a standoffish culture and an astoundingly high number of signal occupancy households (40-50%). These factors of course are advantageous, and so while they've suffered too, they have been on a path that clearly works well enough that things never got particularly out of control.

Many Asian countries have a culture of mass mask wearing, even in the streets prior to this. They think of their fellow man and do not see a mask as some kind of symbol of government oppression, or a sweeping 'masks don't work' hence that has helped them battle covid from the off. We adopted a more all or nothing approach and that's why we are where we are. One minute it was lockdown, the next 'let's go out for 100 million meals'.

This relentless attack on masks, testing, disbelief at the number of cases, deaths, everything is all one way traffic and a desperate lunge to turn covid into something so benign that people are simply 'stupid' to worry about it. It's a mirror image of the very worst hysteria of its opposite take. Of course when caught on the back foot by a once in a lifetime pandemic it's an imperfect process, but it certainly doesn't mean that testing hasn't highlighted trouble areas, saved lives and as stated, there's the online take and then there's the reality of what is the ethical thing to do if you have symptoms (taking a test that is very likely accurate). Why the need to rubbish people trying to do their best to help others.

If people basically just said, yes it's a bad situation taking out approaching 50,000 lives already with more to come, but I'm happy for the nation to take that hit and then some for the sake of the economy I'd respect that. It's at least an honest perspective that involves responsibility. Instead it's a have your cake and eat it outlook where any measure to slow progression is 'pointless' and every statistic has some kind of lie or deep state conspiracy behind it. It's 'the numbers definitely won't go up' (until they inevitably do) and then when that happens it's definitely an overcount (with zero thought into aspects that may well be undercounted) and then when people drop dead it's all 'the flu', 'deaths due to something else'. So basically, and by the way I don't think deaths will return to prior numbers, but even if they did the reasons for why it's 'a lie', or 'something else' are already lined up. And of course anyone piping up with a reasonable and balanced take immediately has to explain themselves for about 20 posts, whereas conspiracy nonsense and half baked one tone ideas get a free pass. There is something to be said for endeavoring to take different and competing factors onboard and realising that a pick a side narrative isn't what's needed a difficult time like this.