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europalace Europe 06 Apr 17 6.25am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Thirded (speaking as someone that has already gone through said process because the skills I possess make me a benefit to my would-be host country) You'll be second choice behind anyone else in the EU 27 with the same skills and then only 2nd choice that includes the pool of similar skilled people worldwide. The UK will become just one country out of many where an EU company can find a resource if it can't find one in its own market of 500 million people. Edited by europalace (06 Apr 2017 6.30am)
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Europe 06 Apr 17 6.25am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Thirded (speaking as someone that has already gone through said process because the skills I possess make me a benefit to my would-be host country)

You'll be second choice behind anyone else in the EU 27 with the same skills and then only 2nd choice that includes the pool of similar skilled people worldwide. The UK will become just one country out of many where an EU company can find a resource if it can't find one in its own market of 500 million people.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 7.10am
Originally posted by europalace You'll be second choice behind anyone else in the EU 27 with the same skills and then only 2nd choice that includes the pool of similar skilled people worldwide. The UK will become just one country out of many where an EU company can find a resource if it can't find one in its own market of 500 million people. Edited by europalace (06 Apr 2017 6.30am) Oh dear, we shall not be able to take advantage of the 'opportunities' in the failing EU where unemployment is 23% in Greece, 18% in Spain and over 10% in most of the other EU countries. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Apr 17 7.10am

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (06 Apr 2017 6.30am)

Oh dear, we shall not be able to take advantage of the 'opportunities' in the failing EU where unemployment is 23% in Greece, 18% in Spain and over 10% in most of the other EU countries.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Apr 17 9.46am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Oh dear, we shall not be able to take advantage of the 'opportunities' in the failing EU where unemployment is 23% in Greece, 18% in Spain and over 10% in most of the other EU countries. By that logic the London economy is failing because some towns in the north-east and north-west are in the doldrums. Each member country has its own specific economy which is affected by, but not entirely dependent on, the EU. Hence, the variations in housing markets/policy as you go from place to place across the water and how it becomes apparent that our way of doing things here on that score unfairly punishes so many of our own citizens and has very, very little to do with the EU. Put it this way, if Spain struck oil tomorrow with a massive find and the wealth was used wisely do you think it would make them better off as one country? Of course it would. Their choice and not the EUs. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 06 Apr 17 9.46am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Oh dear, we shall not be able to take advantage of the 'opportunities' in the failing EU where unemployment is 23% in Greece, 18% in Spain and over 10% in most of the other EU countries.

By that logic the London economy is failing because some towns in the north-east and north-west are in the doldrums.

Each member country has its own specific economy which is affected by, but not entirely dependent on, the EU.

Hence, the variations in housing markets/policy as you go from place to place across the water and how it becomes apparent that our way of doing things here on that score unfairly punishes so many of our own citizens and has very, very little to do with the EU.

Put it this way, if Spain struck oil tomorrow with a massive find and the wealth was used wisely do you think it would make them better off as one country? Of course it would. Their choice and not the EUs.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 9.57am
Originally posted by Kermit8 By that logic the London economy is failing because some towns in the north-east and north-west are in the doldrums. Each member country has its own specific economy which is affected by, but not entirely dependent on, the EU. Hence, the variations in housing markets/policy as you go from place to place across the water and how it becomes apparent that our way of doing things here on that score unfairly punishes so many of our own citizens and has very, very little to do with the EU. Put it this way, if Spain struck oil tomorrow with a massive find and the wealth was used wisely do you think it would make them better off as one country? Of course it would. Their choice and not the EUs. All but 4 EU countries have much higher unemployment rates than ours and the rates of the four are only a little lower. How is 'our way of doing things' punishing our citizens? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Apr 17 9.57am

Originally posted by Kermit8

By that logic the London economy is failing because some towns in the north-east and north-west are in the doldrums.

Each member country has its own specific economy which is affected by, but not entirely dependent on, the EU.

All but 4 EU countries have much higher unemployment rates than ours and the rates of the four are only a little lower.
How is 'our way of doing things' punishing our citizens?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 10.01am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 May will negotiate a deal that she feels is in the best interests of the UK Corporate interests. The EU will try to negotiate a deal that is in the best interests of the Germany and France. Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were. Maybe even less so, because she has never had to face the impact of a general election as prime minister. Fortunately for the UK, it has to be agreed at least by parliament. Sadly that won't be a free vote. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 10.01am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

May will negotiate a deal that she feels is in the best interests of the UK Corporate interests. The EU will try to negotiate a deal that is in the best interests of the Germany and France.

Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were.

Maybe even less so, because she has never had to face the impact of a general election as prime minister. Fortunately for the UK, it has to be agreed at least by parliament. Sadly that won't be a free vote.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Apr 17 10.06am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 All but 4 EU countries have much higher unemployment rates than ours and the rates of the four are only a little lower. How is 'our way of doing things' punishing our citizens? The deregulated market, lack of rent controls and housing policy over the last 35 years has led to an ongoing housing crisis and a situation where even renting an average place for many means saying 'goodbye' to over half their monthly income. That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few. And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale. All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 06 Apr 17 10.06am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

All but 4 EU countries have much higher unemployment rates than ours and the rates of the four are only a little lower.
How is 'our way of doing things' punishing our citizens?

The deregulated market, lack of rent controls and housing policy over the last 35 years has led to an ongoing housing crisis and a situation where even renting an average place for many means saying 'goodbye' to over half their monthly income.

That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few.

And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale.

All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 10.09am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Sigh. We didn't vote in a "Leave" government last June. We didn't vote a "Leave party" manifesto to be implemented into policy. We voted on a position. How that is implemented is down to the commons-backed Government. Jesus. You people. Besides, weren't you remainiacs (post-result, of course) wailing on about how the referendum was non-binding and advisory? Surely then, it doesn't matter what either side said, as it would never be transcribed into law. Yes, under actual Brexit (as opposed to a fake-halfwayhouse touted as "soft" we would take full control of our borders. Our government will decide immigration policy with NO oversight from the EU. If (unwisely, in my opinion) the government decides it must open doors arbitrarily to anyone from 27 of the 190+ countries in the world, it will need to defend this policy in the 2020 general election. We, as the electorate, will have the right to disagree and choose a different path. This is how the overwhelming majority of democratic nations operate on this planet. Which you people is that, I voted to leave the EU. Even if it decides its open doors, do you really think the Conservative government would lose that election and to whom? UKIP, had arguably their best leader, at the height of their influence based on a EU referendum and won one seat, despite picking up 18% of the vote. The liberal democrats picked up 8 seats with less than half of that. That's our democracy. Plus the Conservatives are in a position where they can have a sacrificial prime minister (someone who never would have been leader but for a series of events) that they could use to make unpopular decisions, and change in a leadership challenge to win back sufficient votes to win the next election. The truth is, provided the government can get the deal through parliament, its pretty much able to do what it likes. The only party in the UK with sufficient positional power to defeat the Conservatives are, and always have been the Labour party. They cannot win without Scotland and they probably can't win with Corbyn. UKIP without Farage at their helm won't improve on their position. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 10.09am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Sigh. We didn't vote in a "Leave" government last June. We didn't vote a "Leave party" manifesto to be implemented into policy. We voted on a position. How that is implemented is down to the commons-backed Government. Jesus. You people.

Besides, weren't you remainiacs (post-result, of course) wailing on about how the referendum was non-binding and advisory? Surely then, it doesn't matter what either side said, as it would never be transcribed into law.

Yes, under actual Brexit (as opposed to a fake-halfwayhouse touted as "soft" we would take full control of our borders. Our government will decide immigration policy with NO oversight from the EU. If (unwisely, in my opinion) the government decides it must open doors arbitrarily to anyone from 27 of the 190+ countries in the world, it will need to defend this policy in the 2020 general election. We, as the electorate, will have the right to disagree and choose a different path. This is how the overwhelming majority of democratic nations operate on this planet.

Which you people is that, I voted to leave the EU. Even if it decides its open doors, do you really think the Conservative government would lose that election and to whom? UKIP, had arguably their best leader, at the height of their influence based on a EU referendum and won one seat, despite picking up 18% of the vote.

The liberal democrats picked up 8 seats with less than half of that.

That's our democracy.

Plus the Conservatives are in a position where they can have a sacrificial prime minister (someone who never would have been leader but for a series of events) that they could use to make unpopular decisions, and change in a leadership challenge to win back sufficient votes to win the next election.

The truth is, provided the government can get the deal through parliament, its pretty much able to do what it likes.

The only party in the UK with sufficient positional power to defeat the Conservatives are, and always have been the Labour party. They cannot win without Scotland and they probably can't win with Corbyn.

UKIP without Farage at their helm won't improve on their position.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 10.11am
Originally posted by europalace of course the same restrictions, if any, will apply to UK citizens who want to visit, work or live in any of the other 27 EU countries. Actually it'll be harder for UK citizens, given the average number of languages British citizens share with European nations. One of the reasons why the UK was uniquely poised to exploit EU workers, is that most countries in the EU have a high level of English speaking citizens. The reverse is not true. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 10.11am

Originally posted by europalace

of course the same restrictions, if any, will apply to UK citizens who want to visit, work or live in any of the other 27 EU countries.

Actually it'll be harder for UK citizens, given the average number of languages British citizens share with European nations.

One of the reasons why the UK was uniquely poised to exploit EU workers, is that most countries in the EU have a high level of English speaking citizens.

The reverse is not true.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.20am
Originally posted by Kermit8 The deregulated market, lack of rent controls and housing policy over the last 35 years has led to an ongoing housing crisis and a situation where even renting an average place for many means saying 'goodbye' to over half their monthly income. That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few. And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale. All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that. You don't think EU uncontrolled mass immigration has anything to do with the housing crisis? In that sense it is the government's doing for being in the EU, low interest rates are also a big factor to blame, but house prices are subject to market forces. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.20am

Originally posted by Kermit8

That's less money to spread and spend elsewhere and help out the general economy and just putting more money into the pockets of the already well-off few.

And property prices and eight, nine, ten or even more times the average salary postcode wise these days in common or garden towns. London is of the scale.

All our own Governments' doing. Can't blame Brussels for that.

You don't think EU uncontrolled mass immigration has anything to do with the housing crisis? In that sense it is the government's doing for being in the EU, low interest rates are also a big factor to blame, but house prices are subject to market forces.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.22am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were. Maybe even less so, because she has never had to face the impact of a general election as prime minister. Fortunately for the UK, it has to be agreed at least by parliament. Sadly that won't be a free vote. Please don't edit my posts. I certainly don't think May will act purely in corporate interests (whatever that means). If the electorate feels that their government is not acting in their interests, they can kick them out at the next general election. Of course the electorate have no way of doing the same to unelected EU Commissioners. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Apr 17 10.22am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Edited for Accuracy. May is no more 'beholden' to the best interests of the UK (whatever that means) than Blair or Brown or Cameron were.

Please don't edit my posts. I certainly don't think May will act purely in corporate interests (whatever that means). If the electorate feels that their government is not acting in their interests, they can kick them out at the next general election. Of course the electorate have no way of doing the same to unelected EU Commissioners.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] More jobs going The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it.
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The story here looks like it should be the irresponsible and cynical decision to move it.

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