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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 24 12.32pm | |
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Predicting the future is always difficult but there are certain facts that can be relied upon that enable a sensible person to be sure of minimal realities. Probably the biggest change is going to be the transition from boomer leaders to Gen X. Boomers...due to our success medically have over stayed in leadership roles but over the next ten years that transition will nearly be complete....for example, the last four presidents have been boomers, but it's highly unlikely that whoever contests 2028 will be who we have now or boomers. That change comes with a gradual change in ideas and beliefs....certain boomer truths that are held by that generation are held less strongly by Gen X and even less by those after. The other aspect that can be relied upon is economic. Hardly anyone thinks things are going to improve economically and when you look into it I can see why. The boomers have proven to be poor custodians compared to the silent generation and they have undo the usual pattern of leaving the next generation in a better position...certainly the hopeful position that they were gifted....The metrics both economic and social are quite a lot worse in most fields. For those two reasons I can't really see a 'centrist' coalition holding together or the centre doing well as we go forward (the establishment always presents itself as in the centre)...essentially because it wants to keep power and its stuff...it's very happy with how things are going because they are the ones doing well....irrespective of what's going on for the majority. What I see happening is far more polarisation and far more authoritarian control....by amusingly enough people calling themselves centrists. For the near future I see Trump winning in America and after violence from antifa types the establishment there trying to move it back to a kind of 90s Clinton type era....which is essentially 85 percent of Trump's politics anyway. However, that first two years will be rough because of the upheavals in power positions. How successful it'll be remains to be seen. Europe will turn increasingly right....at the moment it looks like both France and Germany are moving that way....Germany is a fascinating point in question and several books could be written about the mess they have found themselves in. The UK will move left, because essentially it's been moving that way for a long time. However, personally I think Starmer's crew are even worse than Sunak's twerps and I just see continued decline. Younger Britons are just going to have to learn a harsh lesson about realities and at least more of them will be more skeptical come the succeeding election in 2029. If democracy still stands in a form worth the name that is. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2024 12.48pm)
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georgenorman 25 Mar 24 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I completely agree. The traditional route from the playing fields of Eton to No 10, via Oxford or Cambridge, a spell in private banking or a law office and the back benches delivers a group of people out of touch with the world experienced by most of us. There has been some progress in spreading the availability of an Oxbridge experience to those from less privileged backgrounds but much more must be done. Harold Wilson, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major all came from less privileged backgrounds but were educated at Grammar Schools - you know the sort of schools that left-wing crackpots want abolished.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Mar 24 12.57pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Harold Wilson, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major all came from less privileged backgrounds but were educated at Grammar Schools - you know the sort of schools that left-wing crackpots want abolished. The same left wing crackpots who put their own kids into private schools, the hypocrisy just passes them by without a care
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Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 24 1.23pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The same left wing crackpots who put their own kids into private schools, the hypocrisy just passes them by without a care Diane Abbott got into a right tangle over this one. As did Shami Chakrabarti, Emily Thornberry, Harriet Harman and Seumas Milne. Doubtless there were others.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Harold Wilson, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major all came from less privileged backgrounds but were educated at Grammar Schools - you know the sort of schools that left-wing crackpots want abolished. 20 out of 56 British Prime Ministers were educated at just one school. Eton. Others at a variety of other private schools and just 11 managed to make it through the state system. The influence of family wealth is obvious. Most, of course, were at school before comprehensive schools existed so it’s unsurprising that none at all have attended one. I see no reason at all why a well structured and managed comprehensive cannot deliver a perfectly satisfactory education for the brightest, which challenges and stretches them, whilst at the same time takes them out of a cloistered bubble and exposes them to aspects of life they might not otherwise see.
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Badger11 Beckenham 25 Mar 24 2.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
20 out of 56 British Prime Ministers were educated at just one school. Eton. Others at a variety of other private schools and just 11 managed to make it through the state system. The influence of family wealth is obvious. Most, of course, were at school before comprehensive schools existed so it’s unsurprising that none at all have attended one. I see no reason at all why a well structured and managed comprehensive cannot deliver a perfectly satisfactory education for the brightest, which challenges and stretches them, whilst at the same time takes them out of a cloistered bubble and exposes them to aspects of life they might not otherwise see. Well I went to one and your comments are just wishful thinking.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 24 2.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
20 out of 56 British Prime Ministers were educated at just one school. Eton. Others at a variety of other private schools and just 11 managed to make it through the state system. The influence of family wealth is obvious. Most, of course, were at school before comprehensive schools existed so it’s unsurprising that none at all have attended one. I see no reason at all why a well structured and managed comprehensive cannot deliver a perfectly satisfactory education for the brightest, which challenges and stretches them, whilst at the same time takes them out of a cloistered bubble and exposes them to aspects of life they might not otherwise see. And I see no reason at all why Crystal Palace won't win the Champions League in two years time.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 24 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well I went to one and your comments are just wishful thinking. Me too. I didn't care for it.
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georgenorman 25 Mar 24 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
20 out of 56 British Prime Ministers were educated at just one school. Eton. Others at a variety of other private schools and just 11 managed to make it through the state system. The influence of family wealth is obvious. Most, of course, were at school before comprehensive schools existed so it’s unsurprising that none at all have attended one. I see no reason at all why a well structured and managed comprehensive cannot deliver a perfectly satisfactory education for the brightest, which challenges and stretches them, whilst at the same time takes them out of a cloistered bubble and exposes them to aspects of life they might not otherwise see. Following the abolition of Grammar Schools from the late 1960s onwards, there have indeed been hardly any from unprivileged backgrounds becoming Prime Minister. The influence of wealth etc that you complain of has been largely due to the appalling decision to abolish Grammar Schools. Labour Secretary of State for Education, the privately educated, bi-sexual, Anthony Crossland, told his wife "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every f*****g grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland." Bravo Tony, you well off, privately educated, bisexual, left-wing crackpot. Edited by georgenorman (25 Mar 2024 3.03pm)
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georgenorman 25 Mar 24 3.00pm | |
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duplicate Edited by georgenorman (25 Mar 2024 3.01pm)
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 24 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well I went to one and your comments are just wishful thinking. You see this claptrap all the time. Some of us have been reading it for fifty years. Whatever the failed policy you see this perspective. It's almost soviet in how it presents an alternative reality to realism. Waffle, which by its very nature ignores what actually happened. It talks as though this situation hadn't already been played out over generations and that the results aren't in....the continual jam tomorrow that can be offered up precisely because the giver never has to make good. Marketing. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2024 3.37pm)
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silvertop Portishead 25 Mar 24 4.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
We would still need better quality in our MPs. The current crop are not inspiring and are frequently proved not to be up to the job. Amen. Private education direct to PPE Oxford direct to backbench Tory to front bench without once being touched by any real experience of commerce or humanity. Being conditioned in the public school world of cramming, they are proven masters of rote learning. Combine that with a strong sense of entitlement and gross over-confidence and you get Boris Johnson. Thus, they will be presented to the media for interview. They will have parrot learned 5 answers which they will real out in pompous RP. Hoi poloi will genuinely think they are very well educated and be impressed by their intelligence. The truth is it is just exam technique. One of those answers they have memorized can be utilized to apply to any question asked. That is why they do not give straight answers to questions. They have not memorized them. As for why they are our new rulers, you don't need experience/quality if all you need is presentation. The likes of Heseltine and Rifkin are a distant dream of the past.
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