The whole testing and reporting is flawed for so many reasons. What are they going to do when they’ve tested all the students? (The top places for positive results were all student postcodes) Just keep testing them all again, over & over as they gradually all get Covid away from the rest of the city they’re in? What then happens is already tested positive means positive again and again.

I’ve heard of double counting, recording people as positive when they weren’t and positive when they didn’t turn up.

You’ve dismissed the UK test picking up false positives. Well we’re in Autumn when it will pick up these false positives. And a little odd the document saying flu and Covid will be in the same reports.

Apparently in Holland they count your household individually as positives if you are positive. Sure there’s a chance that’s true, but it isn’t a given.

The whole thing is crooked to put fear into the nation to get them to comply. Problem is many know that it’s flawed, crooked or spun the way they want.

COYP

Just see this. Same on sky news last night.

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COYP

Well no that's not actually happened, as I've repeatedly said that there are false positives. I've also highlighted reasons why in all likelihood large amounts of people who have or had covid are not part of any stats because they haven't been tested. Therefore, again, we have to weigh all of this up when making an assessment. You appear to be arguing with yourself rather than anyone else. It's a bit more complicated the having a mantra of reasons why you simply must be right about something that is multifacteed. I stated my personal view on why I think that despite the flaws in testing, it is useful as part of our strategy:

"The tests are useful at least in so much that as the percentage of positive tests are increasing dramatically of late we can safely say that the situation is getting worse and pinpoint that some areas need more focus than others (which would appear to be a good thing to avoid a nationwide lockdown). Plus often people getting tests are self selecting (have symptoms) and so who exactly could blame them for wanting what is a 'very good idea' of knowing whether they have covid-19 or not and isolating accordingly if they do? So yes, as flawed and whack-a-mole as testing may be, it certainly makes more sense than not bothering with it."

If you're going to keep looking for things to latch onto and totally ignore being on the same page at times that's not very worthwhile. I'd prefer that you buy a stressball.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2020 10.50pm)

Why is my age important? As I said, the one tone need to represent one view while ignoring anything that doesn't isn't helpful. Nor is your sweeping aside most of what people say to simply latch onto one or two sentences that you can use as your launchpad. You haven't been in the least bit 'calm'.

I've already highlighted to that we're actually in agreement on strategy in various regards, but you ignore all of that, and in fact repeatedly ignored my broad reasons for supporting testing even though I posted in multiple times. Fine, why let commonalities and varied perspectives get in the way of endlessly telling people how right you are.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2020 12.45am)

He’ll say because the rate of positives has gone up. Of course it has. They’ve just tested students all over built up student areas. Everyone knows students stay within their own area and community and those areas dominate the areas in the highest cases (positive tests) and the highest rates of increase.

They’re getting good at this, but you can see through it. If it wasn’t during social media times we’d barely know it was happening, but because it’s during social media times we can see the falsifying and self fulfilling results that’s going on.

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COYP

I have already stated, repeatedly, where and why I believe that they have uses:

"The tests are useful at least in so much that as the percentage of positive tests are increasing dramatically of late we can safely say that the situation is getting worse and pinpoint that some areas need more focus than others (which would appear to be a good thing to avoid a nationwide lockdown). Plus often people getting tests are self selecting (have symptoms) and so who exactly could blame them for wanting what is a 'very good idea' of knowing whether they have covid-19 or not and isolating accordingly if they do? So yes, as flawed and whack-a-mole as testing may be, it certainly makes more sense than not bothering with it."

Of course something can be flawed and still useful. It's hardly 'out there' outside of this increasingly absurd thread to believe that testing has its place. Washing your hands is flawed because you can still breathe in the virus, wearing a quality mask is flawed if you don't handle it properly, social distancing is flawed if you touch surfaces then your face or are in a small enclosed environment where people are sick, testing is flawed because there is a small chance you may get a false positive (and a much greater chance that you won't, so it can be used to build a picture of community spread, problem areas, and you know, little things like getting near confirmation of your status if you're ill to protect the lives of those around you). If you developed symptoms and wanted to best protect those around you, I'm sure you'd suddenly discover a usefulness to the test.

So it's still worth having these tools in the toolbag, especially in combination. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't bother with any of it because its all 'flawed'? There's not much in health and indeed life that isn't in one respect or another a flawed approach.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2020 2.33am)