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 Plaistow Eagle  24 Jan 24 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
It continues to baffle me that anyone thinks a different manager would get a noticeably better tune out of the same set of players. Thats better, rather than just different. I'm sure if we appointed Roberto Martinez he would be determined to play a different brand of football, but that doesn't make the players any better, or any more suited to attacking or possession. We have two ball-playing centre-backs and two talented creative attacking midfielders (or one or none quite often depending on injury). Otherwise, we have the same type of top-flight journeyman pros we have always had. So, exactly whose 'potential' is being held back by Roy here?! Is it Mateta? Is he secretly fast and skilful? Or Ayew? Is he in fact able to take the ball on the turn and pass forward quickly and with quality instead of trying to win free-kicks? Is it Ward, or Clyne? Are they just bursting to overlap to great effect but being restrained, not by ability and age, but by dastardly Roy? Maybe it's Lerma, who in his very prime and available for free was of no interest whatsoever to the big clubs? Or Hughes? Or Schlupp?! We have the squad that we have, which is largely the best we can afford and attract. We might get a tiny 'new manager bounce' if we made a change in the dugout now, although we might just as easily go into freefall. Most relegated clubs have two or three managers over the course of the season, as they thrash about in panic. Do you know what that’s an amazing feat - you’ve managed to compile an entire post comparing and contrasting the pluses and minuses of Roy’s favoured “mediocre experienced players” without once mentioning the talent and potential available that he is currently ignoring - well done..!! IMO - therein lies the whole issue - the blatant disregard of available talent and potential in favour of mediocre dross..!! So in answer to your question - what would have another Manager done differently- err give a chance to the talent and potential available - just maybe..!! COYP
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| TheBigToePunt 24 Jan 24 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
Do you know what that’s an amazing feat - you’ve managed to compile an entire post comparing and contrasting the pluses and minuses of Roy’s favoured “mediocre experienced players” without once mentioning the talent and potential available that he is currently ignoring - well done..!! IMO - therein lies the whole issue - the blatant disregard of available talent and potential in favour of mediocre dross..!! So in answer to your question - what would have another Manager done differently- err give a chance to the talent and potential available - just maybe..!! COYP Like who, exactly? And I did list the centre backs, Olise and Eze, by the way.
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 24 Jan 24 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Like who, exactly? And I did list the centre backs, Olise and Eze, by the way. Imray, Ozoh, Franca and Ahamada should all be starting above, Hughes, Schlupp, Clyne and Richards IMO
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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| Eaglecoops CR3 24 Jan 24 11.26pm |
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I never thought I’d see the same post written about 50 different ways whilst still not acknowledging anyone else’s opinion. Well. I’ve seen it today. Jeez, this is a damn boring thread.
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| Dubai Eagle 25 Jan 24 6.01am |
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Would make a good film - I have seen a few American sports movies that are not so dissimilar to the plot that you describe, at least the two months bounce, not so much standards dropping off after the target has been achieved, usually a cup win. Originally posted by ASCPFC
I seem to remember it being called something like being Pardewed or the Pardew effect. He comes in, team has fun for a while. Then all standards go, everyone's playing cards and womanising and the team falls right off. Sounds vaguely familiar.
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| southnorwoodhill 25 Jan 24 10.29am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I never thought I’d see the same post written about 50 different ways whilst still not acknowledging anyone else’s opinion. Well. I’ve seen it today. Jeez, this is a damn boring thread. I break down some of the posts to read, "Better the devil you know." That's about the extent of the argument. And yes, we know Roy. If last season's cameo is included, this the sixth season he's been in the hot seat. Edited by southnorwoodhill (25 Jan 2024 10.31am)
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| Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 25 Jan 24 11.16am |
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The problem is Roy wont play young players because the make mistakes, De Zerbi says that's why he plays them, to learn, its not as if Hughes, Schlupp, Clyne etc don't make mistakes, its a old persons view to a younger persons view, chalk and cheese
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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| Midlands Eagle 25 Jan 24 11.23am |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
I read the post thinking that it was Willo until I came to the last line
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Jan 24 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I read the post thinking that it was Willo until I came to the last line
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Jan 24 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
The problem is Roy wont play young players because the make mistakes, De Zerbi says that's why he plays them, to learn, its not as if Hughes, Schlupp, Clyne etc don't make mistakes, its a old persons view to a younger persons view, chalk and cheese I've said it before and I'll say it again, Roy plays for 0-0 every game with the sole focus on the team keeping the opposition out and nothing but sheer blind hope that a goal goes in the other end. Hence without Wilf previously and Olsie/Eze now, we are almost incapable of creating anything and useless with set pieces. Therefore, he likes players who are of such an (limited) ability, and at such a place in their careers, that they will dogmatically adhere to his instructions which typically revolves around nothing more than keeping shape. Young players will want to express themselves and the freedom to do this, hence he has an aversion to playing them or at least until such time he has killed the inclination and spirit within them to do anything outside of his instruction. I know that seems like a vicious attack on Roy, there may be some resentment in there, but I am merely providing an observational and somewhat informed commentary on his management style. It's not intended solely as a dig at him.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 25 Jan 24 11.41am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Our shortlist is probably made up of a few ex players. So Brighty/Dougie/Pardew/Southgate/ we all don't want - but what about say Popovic/Ismael? I wouldn't be totally against it. Popovic perhaps a bit unknown but Ismael (however you spell it sorry) - thinking about it he fits in with quite a bit for us. I'm sure there are others out there. there must be managers out there who DIDNT play for Palace in the past? Just dont get the obsession with hiring ex players!
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| Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 25 Jan 24 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Roy plays for 0-0 every game with the sole focus on the team keeping the opposition out and nothing but sheer blind hope that a goal goes in the other end. Hence without Wilf previously and Olsie/Eze now, we are almost incapable of creating anything and useless with set pieces. Therefore, he likes players who are of such an (limited) ability, and at such a place in their careers, that they will dogmatically adhere to his instructions which typically revolves around nothing more than keeping shape. Young players will want to express themselves and the freedom to do this, hence he has an aversion to playing them or at least until such time he has killed the inclination and spirit within them to do anything outside of his instruction. I know that seems like a vicious attack on Roy, there may be some resentment in there, but I am merely providing an observational and somewhat informed commentary on his management style. It's not intended solely as a dig at him. Cant argue with that, its ingrained in him and Ray, if Roy stays and we dont bring a recognized premier league attack minded player in, its all on Olise and Eze, if they play 75% as a pair we stay up, if they don't we go down.
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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