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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Says the man who condones the destruction of public property because of some imbecilic and irrational need to erase the past. I'm now wondering what else you would consider acceptable in the pursuit of your idealistic fantasy. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jun 2020 7.13pm) mmmmm I’m not sure this is as controversial as you’re making out Criminal act aside, no one seems to be saying ‘erase history’ - or that the simple act of removing a slave traders statue, seemingly a symbol of celebration of murder and tyranny, equals that? There are plenty of celebrated and also controversial and horrendous historical figures that don’t have statues and are heavily prominent in written and taught history. They don’t have statues. Does that mean they’re erased from history? Bit of a silly point. Not sure I get the argument As for Churchill - I’m not sure that statue will be pulled down anytime soon. He should be remembered and revered with a statue but he’s not as squeaky clean and good ol England as some might like to make out. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Says the man who condones the destruction of public property because of some imbecilic and irrational need to erase the past.

I'm now wondering what else you would consider acceptable in the pursuit of your idealistic fantasy.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jun 2020 7.13pm)

mmmmm

I’m not sure this is as controversial as you’re making out

Criminal act aside, no one seems to be saying ‘erase history’ - or that the simple act of removing a slave traders statue, seemingly a symbol of celebration of murder and tyranny, equals that?

There are plenty of celebrated and also controversial and horrendous historical figures that don’t have statues and are heavily prominent in written and taught history. They don’t have statues. Does that mean they’re erased from history? Bit of a silly point.

Not sure I get the argument

As for Churchill - I’m not sure that statue will be pulled down anytime soon. He should be remembered and revered with a statue but he’s not as squeaky clean and good ol England as some might like to make out.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 20 7.51pm
If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left. Feck these people and their mob rule. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 20 7.51pm

If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left.

Feck these people and their mob rule.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 20 7.52pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman It’s not to erase the past. More that it’s a proud memorial of slavery that people have attempted to be placed inside a museum. If you want to discuss the rationale.. This man was a slave trader when slavery was legal. He donated a lot of his wealth to good causes some of which still exist. Retrospective 'punishment' for things that happened in another time is absurd and totally illogical. Who else shall we destroy and deface? I mean, I'm sure there are a host of people who are offensive to somebody. It is a nutty slippery slope that only people without an ounce of foresight could condone. If democratically elected people decide to put it out of sight then that is another matter, Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jun 2020 7.53pm)
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It’s not to erase the past. More that it’s a proud memorial of slavery that people have attempted to be placed inside a museum.

If you want to discuss the rationale..
This man was a slave trader when slavery was legal. He donated a lot of his wealth to good causes some of which still exist. Retrospective 'punishment' for things that happened in another time is absurd and totally illogical.

Who else shall we destroy and deface?

I mean, I'm sure there are a host of people who are offensive to somebody.
It is a nutty slippery slope that only people without an ounce of foresight could condone.
If democratically elected people decide to put it out of sight then that is another matter,

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you're another one defending senseless mob destruction in the name of revisionism? Try a little harder to figure out why that is bonkers. I really don’t understand why you think taking down this particular statue is revisionism. It implies the act erases all traces of his being. Which is nonsense and smacks of generalism simply to raise an emotive point (again) History is not defined by statues. In fact, I’d wager I’d be more likely to find out about this odious character through literature and study than stopping and reading his plinth. Dross Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you're another one defending senseless mob destruction in the name of revisionism?
Try a little harder to figure out why that is bonkers.

I really don’t understand why you think taking down this particular statue is revisionism. It implies the act erases all traces of his being. Which is nonsense and smacks of generalism simply to raise an emotive point (again)

History is not defined by statues. In fact, I’d wager I’d be more likely to find out about this odious character through literature and study than stopping and reading his plinth. Dross

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 20 7.57pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I really don’t understand why you think taking down this particular statue is revisionism. It implies the act erases all traces of his being. Which is nonsense and smacks of generalism simply to raise an emotive point (again) History is not defined by statues. In fact, I’d wager I’d be more likely to find out about this odious character through literature and study than stopping and reading his plinth. Dross To be honest, I can't believe we are having a discussion about the validity of a mob of demonstrators tearing down a statue. It is an act of lawless vandalism. There is no justification. n
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07 Jun 20 7.57pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

History is not defined by statues. In fact, I’d wager I’d be more likely to find out about this odious character through literature and study than stopping and reading his plinth. Dross

To be honest, I can't believe we are having a discussion about the validity of a mob of demonstrators tearing down a statue.
It is an act of lawless vandalism. There is no justification.
n

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 20 7.58pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC mmmmm I’m not sure this is as controversial as you’re making out Criminal act aside, no one seems to be saying ‘erase history’ - or that the simple act of removing a slave traders statue, seemingly a symbol of celebration of murder and tyranny, equals that? There are plenty of celebrated and also controversial and horrendous historical figures that don’t have statues and are heavily prominent in written and taught history. They don’t have statues. Does that mean they’re erased from history? Bit of a silly point. Not sure I get the argument As for Churchill - I’m not sure that statue will be pulled down anytime soon. He should be remembered and revered with a statue but he’s not as squeaky clean and good ol England as some might like to make out. No he isn't, but so what.....Shall we just have statues up of people the left wing approve of? Churchill is worth spilling blood over. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 20 7.58pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

mmmmm

I’m not sure this is as controversial as you’re making out

Criminal act aside, no one seems to be saying ‘erase history’ - or that the simple act of removing a slave traders statue, seemingly a symbol of celebration of murder and tyranny, equals that?

Not sure I get the argument

As for Churchill - I’m not sure that statue will be pulled down anytime soon. He should be remembered and revered with a statue but he’s not as squeaky clean and good ol England as some might like to make out.

No he isn't, but so what.....Shall we just have statues up of people the left wing approve of?

Churchill is worth spilling blood over.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left. Feck these people and their mob rule. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm) Yeah, but that’s not what is happening, is it. I’m fully aware of other incidents like this in the recent past - and agin while I don’t agree with the criminality of it to me it’s no different to changing who ends up on the front of the new £20 notes. Don’t see why people place so much premium on a lump of bronze I suspect you’re implying that this is the beginning of a slippery slope where textbooks get rewritten or erased and people get airbrushed out of history etc etc Can’t see that myself, find it a bit silly. However the west has been doing that in regard to the origin of mathematics, science and plenty of other things since day dot so equally nothing is beyond the wit of man However I’d think these ‘leftists’ would more likely want to surface these people as examples of what not to do rather than erase them from history completely. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 7.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left.

Feck these people and their mob rule.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm)

Yeah, but that’s not what is happening, is it. I’m fully aware of other incidents like this in the recent past - and agin while I don’t agree with the criminality of it to me it’s no different to changing who ends up on the front of the new £20 notes.

Don’t see why people place so much premium on a lump of bronze

I suspect you’re implying that this is the beginning of a slippery slope where textbooks get rewritten or erased and people get airbrushed out of history etc etc

Can’t see that myself, find it a bit silly. However the west has been doing that in regard to the origin of mathematics, science and plenty of other things since day dot so equally nothing is beyond the wit of man

However I’d think these ‘leftists’ would more likely want to surface these people as examples of what not to do rather than erase them from history completely.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 8.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No he isn't, but so what.....Shall we just have statues up of people the left wing approve of? Churchill is worth spilling blood over. Nope I agree with you here, no we should not Just feel it’s a bit silly to say that tearing down a statue is the equivalent of erasing history or revisionism Also if we had to pick one for removal this certainly seems pretty on point Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 8.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No he isn't, but so what.....Shall we just have statues up of people the left wing approve of?

Churchill is worth spilling blood over.

Nope

I agree with you here, no we should not

Just feel it’s a bit silly to say that tearing down a statue is the equivalent of erasing history or revisionism

Also if we had to pick one for removal this certainly seems pretty on point

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 8.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger To be honest, I can't believe we are having a discussion about the validity of a mob of demonstrators tearing down a statue. It is an act of lawless vandalism. There is no justification. n See above point around not agreeing with the criminality. Now answer my point Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 8.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

To be honest, I can't believe we are having a discussion about the validity of a mob of demonstrators tearing down a statue.
It is an act of lawless vandalism. There is no justification.
n

See above point around not agreeing with the criminality. Now answer my point

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 20 8.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left. Feck these people and their mob rule. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm) I'm worried for the Colosseum in Rome. Imagine how many people have ancestors ended up in there. In fact the whole Western World was built on slavery apparently so... That must mean that these people need to destroy everything. It is all perfectly logical.
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07 Jun 20 8.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If we tore down the statues of every human being responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings......We wouldn't have many left.

Feck these people and their mob rule.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 7.52pm)

I'm worried for the Colosseum in Rome. Imagine how many people have ancestors ended up in there. In fact the whole Western World was built on slavery apparently so...
That must mean that these people need to destroy everything. It is all perfectly logical.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 20 8.05pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC See above point around not agreeing with the criminality. Now answer my point I just did.
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07 Jun 20 8.05pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

See above point around not agreeing with the criminality. Now answer my point

I just did.

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 20 8.11pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Nope I agree with you here, no we should not Just feel it’s a bit silly to say that tearing down a statue is the equivalent of erasing history or revisionism Also if we had to pick one for removal this certainly seems pretty on point I don't like the statue of bomber Harris in central London...and he killed far more than this centuries old figure.....Regardless I would be angry if it was removed like this. This is history and the fact that the mob was allowed to do this within a functioning democracy is unacceptable. People should be sacked. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 8.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 20 8.11pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Nope

I agree with you here, no we should not

Just feel it’s a bit silly to say that tearing down a statue is the equivalent of erasing history or revisionism

Also if we had to pick one for removal this certainly seems pretty on point

I don't like the statue of bomber Harris in central London...and he killed far more than this centuries old figure.....Regardless I would be angry if it was removed like this.

This is history and the fact that the mob was allowed to do this within a functioning democracy is unacceptable.

People should be sacked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2020 8.11pm)

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