On the tube last Saturday afternoon and had to share a carriage with a lovely bunch of chanting gentlemen. 1pm, sh!tfaced, and amongst their highlights: "Musrats go home!" / "We want our country back!" / "Tommy's army is gonna get ya!" all with some Nazi salutes thrown in more good measure.

Thought exactly the same thing: if this is the person people look up to and hail as a heroic patriot, I'll probably look elsewhere thanks.

All true of course.

As an aside I saw a very interesting graph the other day showing how social media has affected politics in the US....and by extension the UK I suppose.

It's kind of evidence for social media controlling echo chambers and hence reinforcing belief systems.....much more effectively than was true before its rise.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2018 1.06pm)

Society has been this way for a long time, the more complicated a situation is, the more we rely on simplistic soundbites to make sense of it. I have a feeling its always been that way. Dont confuse it with just one side though, all sides do it, they always have and they always will. Its not all bad though, its meant that people have been forced to distill their point into something tangible rather than the medias old school approach of padding out points into psuedo-interlectual w@nk.

Says me that basicly turned 'everyone does it, not just the left...' into a full essay! My bad...

On the tube last Saturday afternoon and had to share a carriage with a lovely bunch of chanting gentlemen. 1pm, sh!tfaced, and amongst their highlights: "Musrats go home!" / "We want our country back!" / "Tommy's army is gonna get ya!" all with some Nazi salutes thrown in more good measure.

Thought exactly the same thing: if this is the person people look up to and hail as a heroic patriot, I'll probably look elsewhere thanks.

'I bet the other side are uneducated...' trully the thought process that will result in nobody ever switching sides...

Truth is whether you like it or not, I have lived in the same world you have, seen the same news you have and been exposed to all that is great and crap in the world just like you and have cone to a different conclusion, you can dismiss the other side as 'well clearly you are not paying attention' but thats the mindset that will just make people double down on their beliefs...

Tony Robinson did speak at Oxford but so did Geofry from game of thrones! Oxford prides itself in allowing everyone to cone in and make their point, unfortunatly that is something becoming more and more rare...but the point is that him being there doesnt give him any more or less credibility.

As for him talking, unfortunatly I have, and he is dreadful. He has one point with any credibility and thats 'muslim rape gangs' so all he does is tries to bring that up over and over again, he doesnt have any other points to make. And the problem is that all his supoorters do the same thing, I can guarentee that I wont have to look very far on this thread to find someone who will change any subject so they can bring up 'muslim rape gangs' again.
Ultimatly he has one point that he makes clumsily and very little else and if thats all people bring up then its actually damaging your cause by getting behing him...have to stress that this is just my opinion, I am a spokesman on behalf of me and nobody else...

Edited by Beanyboysmd (15 Jun 2018 11.50am)

How do you know your conclusion is right and visa versa. For people on the right the TR issue is based on facts like issues of grooming gangs. What facts is your conclusion based on?