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 Pete53  Hassocks 16 Sep 15 11.26am |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 11.10am
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The only "Vision" is the hard-left politics of envy and social division. In fact one senior Labour figure described Corbyn as an "Early 80s Trotskyist tribute act". Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.11am) If that is the case Willo then that will become very clear very quickly. But that is my point really, if he is anything more than a "Trotskyist tribute act" then he is going to have to come up with a lot more than a Militant manifesto from the 1970s/80s.
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Sep 15 11.36am | |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 11.10am
Quote Pete53 at 16 Sep 2015 11.00am
The only "Vision" is the hard-left politics of envy and social division. In fact one senior Labour figure described Corbyn as an "Early 80s Trotskyist tribute act". Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.11am)
Early 80's Trotskyist Tribute Act Hahahaha Priceless
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 15 11.40am |
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I'm willing to bet that Corbyn doesn't make it to the next election.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Sep 15 11.44am |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 11.10am
Quote Pete53 at 16 Sep 2015 11.00am
The only "Vision" is the hard-left politics of envy and social division. In fact one senior Labour figure described Corbyn as an "Early 80s Trotskyist tribute act". Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.11am) For some people maybe, same as how right wing politics is about greed and spite for some right winger. For most its about social justice, standards of living, reasonable incomes for workers, educational equality etc and redressing the inequalities that capitalism generates (or more notably big business and corporate self interest generate). I find it exceptionally ignorant when people write off whole groups of people through their own prejudice. Corbyn, extreme socialism. He's old school labour, but lets not pretend that he's on the far left, planning the armed revolution of the proletariat or envisioning the ideology of a perpetual revolution. He is the fairly elected leader of the Labour party, not some imagined demon set loose to destroy the UK and calling him a threat to the nation before he's even established any policy decisions or released a manifesto, undermines the very concept of democratic process. Its as unbefitting as calling Cameron a facist or similar. All it shows is ignorance in the person.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Sep 15 11.46am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Sep 2015 10.26am
Nigel Farage must be bored now all the meeja have turned on Corbyn... he won't know what to do with himself. With regard to the anthem thing... it's pretty stupid to have aspirations to be Prime Minister then openly show a blatant disrespect for the Queen and her subjects by not joining in with the anthem at such a high profile event. Either ditch your principles, or ditch your aspirations. If Rooney can adapt, so can Corbyn. I entirely disagree I want politicians with principles, even if they are unpopular with the other side. I wouldn't sing the national anthem any more than I'd say prayers at a funeral or wedding.
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| matt_himself Matataland 16 Sep 15 11.50am |
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All this National Anthem bullsh*t has really annoyed me this morning. Who actually gives a f*ck?
Politicians have been caned for not showing conviction in their beliefs. Now Corbyn is getting caned for doing the opposite. The press/British public are monumentally f*cktarded sometimes. Your last paragraph is nonsense. Conviction is one thing however being perceived as being disrespectful to Britain during a Battle of Britain commemoration ceremony is plain daft from a politician.
If he did sing it he's probably end up getting caned for being a hypocrite.
The fact is, you are going to defend him to the hilt. Fair enough. But you are going to have to accept that the way he is being perceived is different from your view.
He will be judged on matters like this - if he is going to try and be elected to lead this country, he will need to show respect to it, however much that might grate with his 'convictions'.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 16 Sep 15 11.50am |
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Corbyn's riding the crest of a wave, ie, the mass dissatisfaction with moderate centrism by lefties who are overactive in social media. They are far from coherent in what they want Corbyn to achieve. Even if they were, he cannot possibly hope to deliver. They will be frustrated very quickly by the inevitable compromises he will be forced to make. Similar to what happened with Obama after 2008, except Corbyn won't have the charisma or strength of popular appeal (beyond the Young Russell Brandite Pioneers) to keep the show on the road. I doubt he'll fight the next election, personally.
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 16 Sep 15 11.54am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Sep 2015 11.36am
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 11.10am
Quote Pete53 at 16 Sep 2015 11.00am
The only "Vision" is the hard-left politics of envy and social division. In fact one senior Labour figure described Corbyn as an "Early 80s Trotskyist tribute act". Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.11am)
Early 80's Trotskyist Tribute Act Hahahaha Priceless Not wishing to steal Willo's thunder, but I believe this is a direct quote from Jon Cruddas MP (Lab, Dagenham & Rainham)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Sep 15 11.58am |
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Quote dannyh at 16 Sep 2015 10.58am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 10.08am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.15am
All this National Anthem bullsh*t has really annoyed me this morning. Who actually gives a f*ck?
Politicians have been caned for not showing conviction in their beliefs. Now Corbyn is getting caned for doing the opposite. The press/British public are monumentally f*cktarded sometimes. Your last paragraph is nonsense. Conviction is one thing however being perceived as being disrespectful to Britain during a Battle of Britain commemoration ceremony is plain daft from a politician.
If he did sing it he's probably end up getting caned for being a hypocrite.
All this this despite not singing the NATIONAL Anthem. Blokes a two faced snidey little t w a t t he probably got bullied at school. Politically the Privy Council is a lot more than just 'people who support monarchy'. It makes sense for the leader of each political party to be engaged in the Queens Privy Council, especially as a shadow leader if only to present opposition to the use of the Royal Perogative. I want shot of the monarchy but that wouldn't exclude me working to reduce the capacity of the royal prerogative to issue policy.
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| DanH SW2 16 Sep 15 12.00pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 11.50am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 11.23am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 11.20am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 10.08am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.15am
All this National Anthem bullsh*t has really annoyed me this morning. Who actually gives a f*ck?
Politicians have been caned for not showing conviction in their beliefs. Now Corbyn is getting caned for doing the opposite. The press/British public are monumentally f*cktarded sometimes. Your last paragraph is nonsense. Conviction is one thing however being perceived as being disrespectful to Britain during a Battle of Britain commemoration ceremony is plain daft from a politician.
If he did sing it he's probably end up getting caned for being a hypocrite.
The fact is, you are going to defend him to the hilt. Fair enough. But you are going to have to accept that the way he is being perceived is different from your view.
He will be judged on matters like this - if he is going to try and be elected to lead this country, he will need to show respect to it, however much that might grate with his 'convictions'.
I'm not saying that wasn't slightly foolish or misguided not to sing it, I just don't think it's the big deal that it's being made out to be.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Sep 15 12.04pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Sep 2015 11.36am
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 11.10am
Quote Pete53 at 16 Sep 2015 11.00am
The only "Vision" is the hard-left politics of envy and social division. In fact one senior Labour figure described Corbyn as an "Early 80s Trotskyist tribute act". Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.11am)
Early 80's Trotskyist Tribute Act Hahahaha Priceless
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Sep 15 12.04pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 11.50am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 11.23am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 11.20am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 10.48am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 10.08am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote DanH at 16 Sep 2015 9.15am
All this National Anthem bullsh*t has really annoyed me this morning. Who actually gives a f*ck?
Politicians have been caned for not showing conviction in their beliefs. Now Corbyn is getting caned for doing the opposite. The press/British public are monumentally f*cktarded sometimes. Your last paragraph is nonsense. Conviction is one thing however being perceived as being disrespectful to Britain during a Battle of Britain commemoration ceremony is plain daft from a politician.
If he did sing it he's probably end up getting caned for being a hypocrite.
The fact is, you are going to defend him to the hilt. Fair enough. But you are going to have to accept that the way he is being perceived is different from your view.
He will be judged on matters like this - if he is going to try and be elected to lead this country, he will need to show respect to it, however much that might grate with his 'convictions'. Sorry, I don't see the link between a national anthem and showing respect for the servicemen and women, of many nations, who were responsible for the success of the RAF in those trying times. Is there only one permitted route of showing respect, singing the 'approved song'. What about those of the RAF in those dark hours who weren't British Subject or were Republican? You can show respect in your own way, fortunately, because we didn't lose the war.
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