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I don't want to pay for her funeral.
Its not what she'd have wanted surely. If Thatcher was about one thing it was cutting the costs of state and public waste. Surely its an insult to have the state pay for the funeral of a woman who embodied the idea of individal provision and utilisation of the public sector.
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You're quoting the Mail and saying the Beeb is biased? The BBC should of course be impartial. To show Thatcher was anything other than a bitchc*** would be biased.
Was there? Pray tell me about it Quentin Crisp.
Yep, I got a key worker grant towards my mortgage. Thanks Tony.
You, berating Thatcher and the Tory's, yet adopting Tory values and taking what you can in 'leg ups' in order to join the aspirational classes. Enjoy your trip to Chiselhurst Strada.
Practise what you preach mate! Or is living in somewhere like Penge too working class and diverse for you? Also Nick lives in an ex-council house, however he has admitted in the past that he feels bad about that. A legacy from Thatcher's 'right to buy' scheme. Would he be able to live in such a nice area otherwise??
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 10 Apr 13 4.42pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2013 4.37pm
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Apr 2013 10.35am
I don't want to pay for her funeral.
Its not what she'd have wanted surely. If Thatcher was about one thing it was cutting the costs of state and public waste. Surely its an insult to have the state pay for the funeral of a woman who embodied the idea of individal provision and utilisation of the public sector. You are right. From what I have read, neither Thatcher or her two kids wanted this.
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 10 Apr 13 4.49pm |
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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!! RIP Willo Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.
The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead. Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)
There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time. Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.
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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!! RIP Willo Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.
The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead. Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)
There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time. Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Apr 13 4.55pm |
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You're quoting the Mail and saying the Beeb is biased? The BBC should of course be impartial. To show Thatcher was anything other than a bitchc*** would be biased.
Was there? Pray tell me about it Quentin Crisp.
Yep, I got a key worker grant towards my mortgage. Thanks Tony.
You, berating Thatcher and the Tory's, yet adopting Tory values and taking what you can in 'leg ups' in order to join the aspirational classes. Enjoy your trip to Chiselhurst Strada.
Practise what you preach mate! Or is living in somewhere like Penge too working class and diverse for you? Also Nick lives in an ex-council house, however he has admitted in the past that he feels bad about that. A legacy from Thatcher's 'right to buy' scheme. Would he be able to live in such a nice area otherwise?? I'd say about 25% of the residents on my street are what you'd term middle class. The rest are as working class as they come. Most of the street is still owned by housing associations. Clearly you think that I should live in a commune, rather than a suburb. I moved here because it was cheaper than renting in Brockley and because I wanted a nice place for my kids to grow up. In an ideal world I'd rather be living somewhere with an affordable rent, but alas I took what was the most viable option.
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 10 Apr 13 5.00pm |
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Quote chris123 at 10 Apr 2013 4.53pm
Quote crystal balls at 10 Apr 2013 4.49pm
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Quote crystal balls at 10 Apr 2013 11.55am
Quote chris123 at 10 Apr 2013 7.54am
Quote crystal balls at 09 Apr 2013 11.38pm
Quote chris123 at 09 Apr 2013 10.56pm
Quote crystal balls at 09 Apr 2013 10.11pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2013 6.26pm
Quote Willo at 09 Apr 2013 6.23pm
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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!! RIP Willo Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.
The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead. Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)
There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time. Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.
I'm saying that north sea oil and gas provided little or no benefit to the UK until 1980. To say we had a "benefit" suggests that the exchequer received a positive inflow of revenue or that the people of the UK had a readily available source of cheap energy, neither of which are remotely true. That isn't spin, it's fact.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 10 Apr 13 5.04pm |
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Quote chris123 at 10 Apr 2013 4.53pm
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Quote crystal balls at 09 Apr 2013 11.38pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2013 6.26pm
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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!! RIP Willo Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.
The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead. Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)
There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time. Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.
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Glenda Jackson's ranting in the Commons - what a truly awful person!
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Wow 60 pages of HOL "banter" on Mrs T The Iron Lady must be laughing her wotsits off
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Quote crystal balls at 10 Apr 2013 5.00pm
Quote chris123 at 10 Apr 2013 4.53pm
Quote crystal balls at 10 Apr 2013 4.49pm
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Quote crystal balls at 10 Apr 2013 11.55am
Quote chris123 at 10 Apr 2013 7.54am
Quote crystal balls at 09 Apr 2013 11.38pm
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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.) Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!! RIP Willo Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.
The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead. Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)
There were in the 60's and 70's no actual material benefits of north sea oil and gas for the UK. Oil wasn't produced in any quantities as the technology for doing so at the depth of the north sea was in it's infancy, and many many lives were lost in securing what little production there was on line at that time. Gas was being produced in greater quantity, but as almost all gas appliances had to be converted to be able to use natural gas at great cost, and relatively few people had gas central heating at that time, the benefits to consumers and the exchequer were, at best,at the margin.
I'm saying that north sea oil and gas provided little or no benefit to the UK until 1980. To say we had a "benefit" suggests that the exchequer received a positive inflow of revenue or that the people of the UK had a readily available source of cheap energy, neither of which are remotely true. That isn't spin, it's fact. This is what I said "Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit of North Sea oil and gas?" Is there anything factually inaccurate in that?
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 10 Apr 13 5.19pm |
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Public money to cover approx Ł10M of security for her funeral. and her son is "SIR Mark Thatcher". How the fck did that knighthood happen. ?
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