Laddo, you tell me to get my facts sorted.

Have you actually read the Koran???

You think it is a peaceful book, here are some verses straight out of the Koran!

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.

Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Koran 5:33-34 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that

These verses come direct from an Islamic website that allows you to search the Koran.

Try it yourself, you will see that the Koran is not peaceful, Islam is an evil, evil religion that does not preach peace in anyway [Link]

I myself am bloody terrified of islam and funamental muslims and what they stand for. Have had my arguments with mattwebb but I'll follow him in this.

Unfortunately this is not what the debate is all about or the justification for a war .. otherwise it would ba a global war against ALL muslim countries (which it isn't). Surely mattwebb you can see this ..

So whatever we feel or think of islam is not the point here, let's get back to the original thread !!

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oh for God's sake, don't be so ridiculous. Islam is one thing - a concept - and what Muslims might say or do is something totally different. It's the same for every religion or ideology. Having studied Islam for 5 years, I defy anyone to tell me Islam is not a peaceful way of life.
I'm a Muslim and I too am scared of these crazy 'fundamentalists' but they don't represent Islam any more than the IRA represent Catholics etc...

But I agree - that's a separate debate so I will happily go back to the original thread

Tell me, does the bible contain no passage which can be construed in the manner with which you have construed the Koran?

The fact that you believe that Islam is evil worries me deeply. Your arrogance is unbelievable.

It's just a matter of crossing the i's and dotting the t's

Just out of interest, how do you reconcile your comments with the quotations from the Koran that Mattwebb posted? Are they misquotes?

mattweb, get a dictionary and find out what a secular society would mean. To suggest to have a secular society you have to get rid of "football" is absolutely ridiculous and confirms my opinion that you are an absolute dick head.

Your bashing of Islam is exactly why I cannot understand how the hell you can call yourself a christian, yet at the same time confirms how ridiculous religion all is. I thought the bible preaches tolerance, yet you are obviously extremely intolerant of Islam and people who are different to you.

Do you agree with homosexuals in your church? Do you think that disabled kids are paying for a previous sin, would you expect a female loved one, be it wife, girlfriend, mother etc to give birth after being raped or knowing that their child could be born with severe brain damage.

You moan about fundamentalist muslims, but from where I'm standing you are just as close to being a fundamentalist christian which is just as scary. Your intolerance, inability to respect other religions and narrow minded attitudes to those around you make me sick. The fact is if there is a God then I guarantee that you'll be on your way to hell with your attitude, which quite frankly stinks of right wing s***.

laddo

"People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist".
David Brent.