Stef, what happened in history has nothing to do with me as an individual. You can't blame German's for their poor human rights history and you can't blame us for the terrible things our ancestors did.

It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

- John Bostock (Nov 2007)

I'm under the impression that it was because of handing over the schools from the church, to the government. Part of the deal was that Religious Education would be compulsory, and despite some schools not teching it, it seems to still be alive in the National Curriclulum.

Edited by woodsy375 (27 Oct 2004 1:57pm)

"I like his films as much as getting an arrow through the neck..................and then discovering there's a gas bill tied to it."

[Link] - GEOFF THOMAS FUND

People like me ?? What you mean .. i've got NOTHING against Germans at all, on the contrary I find them a great race and easy-going. Just like I like the English !!! What is the 'right' side anyway ??

Only thing I'm doing is giving a bit of a history lesson .. people in glass houses etc...

I was only remarking, I wasn't blaming anyone !! Let's call it "generalising" .. afterall which nation in Europe is best at that you think ? (French all smell of garlic, German women don't shave their armpits, Dutch are always stoned, Belgians are boring, Welsh are sheepshaggers, Irish are stupid and drunk etc.. etc...)

Edited by JollyStef (27 Oct 2004 4:11pm)

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I'm glad to have been of help to liven up this place (i like that once in a while )
penge, believe me i'm not trying to pick a fight .. i'm just trying to make everyone be objective .. and yes lessons can be learned from history !! I know it's got nothing to do with you guys and i've met loads of you (and I've lived there so i must like it, right) .. I'm even planning on going back to the UK to live in the future .. I'm just saying there's a difference in talking about christmas and ending up hating every other culture and telling them not to interfere. Afterall when you colonised the world you took your religion with you and forced it onto other cultures.

P.S. yes my better half is English .. and we're very happy. English have always been welcomed here too (apart from millwall fans). See, different cultures do work sometimes (quite happy they are not too different ey )..

Edited by JollyStef (27 Oct 2004 4:12pm)

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Christmas was a pagan celebration anyway - to mark the winter solstice (one of the most important pagan festivals - rebirth of the sun god..), so I wouldn't worry your easily offended, little Christian bones over it.

Jesus Christ was apparently born sometime in January (if you believe that sort of thing), but the god botherers hijacked the pagan celebration date, because they were struggling to convert pagans to their own questionable slant on things. Having christmas trees is a pagan thing too, as is mistletoe.

Since much of the tradition is neither English or Christian I don't really see that there is very much to be angry about.

We're going a bit off topic here. The main issue is that Political Correctness (contrived by English people) is messing up this country. Banning the word Christmas is an example of this.

(I noticed the Christmas lights up in Tooting High Street last night. How early???!!!).