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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who's expecting that? I, for instance, regard myself as both British and English. Some though seem to think I am only partly English.

Were you outraged by that Maradona goal?

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who's expecting that? I, for instance, regard myself as both British and English. Some though seem to think I am only partly English.

Fair enough. Better than claiming to be a European.

 

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I used to manage a team based in Edinburgh so used to spend a few nights up there every month.

Used to love the mostly Americans visiting 'home,' and getting carried off being 'Scotch,' mind you some of the most passionate Irishmen I have ever met have never set foot outside New York

 

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What started all this is this post by Wisbech.

"There is no such thing as an English nationality. It doesn’t exist. We are all British citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain comprising the countries of England, Scotland and Wales.

Nothing other than culture makes you English, Scottish or Welsh. Every one of them is a British national"

English ethnicity like Scottish, Welsh & Irish runs deeper than culture, England being an island nation largely left alone for thousands of years leads to unique genetic mutations within its population a classic case study in this are the Sherpas of the Himalayas, their isolation & exposure to higher altitudes gives them traits exclusive to them

See below courtesy of Google AI

Himalayan people unique genetics
The Himalayan region is home to several ethnic groups, including the Sherpas, who are renowned for their exceptional adaptability to high-altitude environments. Research has shed light on the unique genetic characteristics of the Himalayan people, which have evolved to enable them to thrive in these challenging environments.

mtDNA Sub-Haplogroups

Studies have identified two common mtDNA sub-haplogroups unique to Sherpa populations: Haplogroup A15c1 and Haplogroup C4a3b1. These haplogroups are thought to have originated from East Asian populations and have been shaped by natural selection to adapt to high-altitude environments.

Genetic Adaptations

The Himalayan people have developed several genetic adaptations to cope with the low oxygen levels at high altitudes. These adaptations include:

Unique Hemoglobin-Binding Capacity: The Himalayan people have a higher affinity for hemoglobin, which allows them to extract more oxygen from the air at high altitudes.
Doubled Nitric Oxide Production: The Himalayan people have a higher production of nitric oxide, which helps to dilate blood vessels and increase oxygen delivery to the body’s tissues.
Genetic Continuity

Research has also shown that the Himalayan region was colonized by East Asians of likely high-altitude origin, followed by millennia of genetic continuity. This genetic continuity has allowed the Himalayan people to maintain their unique genetic characteristics over time.

Recent Tibetan Ancestry

A study published in 2015 found genetic evidence of a recent Tibetan ancestry to Sherpas in the Himalayan region. This suggests that the Sherpa people have a recent genetic connection to the Tibetan plateau, which has contributed to their unique genetic characteristics.

Conclusion

The Himalayan people’s unique genetics have evolved to enable them to thrive in high-altitude environments. Their mtDNA sub-haplogroups, genetic adaptations, and genetic continuity have all contributed to their exceptional ability to adapt to these challenging environments. Further research is needed to fully understand the complexities of the Himalayan people’s genetics and how they have evolved to inhabit this unique region.

Ethnicity is exclusionary & there is nothing wrong with that.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

All this nonsense that there are no English, just people and no white people, etc, is the same mindset that says there are no men or women, just people. Presumably there are no Crystal Palace fans - just football fans.

Of course there are English people! I am one, as presumably are you. Some here think I am not because I had a French born grandmother. Who became as English as me.

It’s how you define being English that’s disputed. With the DNA argument comprehensively destroyed as nonsense it’s obviously how you feel and not about how others feel about you.

It’s no different with men and women. Most have no doubt at all about their sexuality. You are getting confused about those whose physical appearance doesn’t match the way they feel.

Those here are all, presumably, Crystal Palace fans.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who's expecting that? I, for instance, regard myself as both British and English. Some though seem to think I am only partly English.

You have a French grandmother. Simply expressed, you are a quarter French.
How many genes you actually inherited from your grandmother is another matter. It could be approximately 18% to 31%.

If you prefer to ignore your French heritage, then that is up to you. You do like to ignore reality when it suits you, after all.

Don't worry, being a quarter French doesn't stop you being 'English'. Of course, if by some twist of fate you had been born in France, according to your logic, you would be French.

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Fair enough. Better than claiming to be a European.

I am also that. As you and almost everyone here are.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am also that. As you and almost everyone here are.

Why draw the line there? Just say we're all carbon based lifeforms and leave it at that.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course there are English people! I am one, as presumably are you. Some here think I am not because I had a French born grandmother. Who became as English as me.

It’s how you define being English that’s disputed. With the DNA argument comprehensively destroyed as nonsense it’s obviously how you feel and not about how others feel about you.

It’s no different with men and women. Most have no doubt at all about their sexuality. You are getting confused about those whose physical appearance doesn’t match the way they feel.

Those here are all, presumably, Crystal Palace fans.

You're not the first socialist to deny science in favour of feelings my quarter french troll.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have a French grandmother. Simply expressed, you are a quarter French.
How many genes you actually inherited from your grandmother is another matter. It could be approximately 18% to 31%.

If you prefer to ignore your French heritage, then that is up to you. You do like to ignore reality when it suits you, after all.

Don't worry, being a quarter French doesn't stop you being 'English'. Of course, if by some twist of fate you had been born in France, according to your logic, you would be French.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jun 2024 8.39pm)

This is completely twisted logic. Being born in France won’t make you French unless one of your parents are French. You can become French at 13 if you have lived there since birth. In other words been exposed to and accepted the culture. No DNA involved.

I am English not because I was born here. I have British citizenship because of that. I am English because I grew up here with English parents, went to school here and learned to appreciate our culture and heritage. I didn’t even know my grandmother was born in France until a few years ago. No DNA involved.

I am 100% English. My DNA, like yours, has no bearing on it. It’s how I feel. Not how you, or anyone else, feels about me.

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

You're not the first socialist to deny science in favour of feelings my quarter french troll.

Wrong in every assertion. I am not a socialist. I never deny science. A am not a quarter French. I am 100% English with genes as garbled as everyone else. Genes don’t dictate how you feel.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why draw the line there? Just say we're all carbon based lifeforms and leave it at that.

Carbon based life forms tend not to be restricted to specific regions so would not add a lot of understanding. European is about as far as you can go with this.

 


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