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 Teddy Eagle  05 Sep 23 8.21am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course. By those who use it. If it's not perceived as such by the recipient then there's no issue.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Sep 23 8.23am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It isn’t intended to be. That vote is done. I didn’t endorse it then but it is now of no importance. We are where we are. The question is now where we need to be. And that would entail reversing the vote. As well as convincing the EU to allow us back.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 05 Sep 23 8.29am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Don't let conflation impact your post, carry on Remoaner is no more or less derogatory than Brexiteer. Leaver is the antonym of remainer, which is a different word to remoaner. Edited by HKOwen (05 Sep 2023 3.30am) Calling somebody a Brexiteer carries no deliberate insult. It only means someone who favoured leaving. It applies to all who did. Nothing derogatory in it. Calling someone a Remoaner is deliberately constructed as a pejorative negative term for some who favoured remaining, but who have, to some minds, refused to accept the result. It’s derogatory.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Sep 23 8.33am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And that would entail reversing the vote. As well as convincing the EU to allow us back. It would take an Act of Parliament. No need for a vote, though the views of the people would probably be sought first. New Acts are passed for new circumstances. Nothing unusual in that. The terms would’ve been negotiated beforehand.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Sep 23 8.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Calling somebody a Brexiteer carries no deliberate insult. It only means someone who favoured leaving. It applies to all who did. Nothing derogatory in it. Calling someone a Remoaner is deliberately constructed as a pejorative negative term for some who favoured remaining, but who have, to some minds, refused to accept the result. It’s derogatory. How about Brejoiner?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Sep 23 9.34am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How about Brejoiner? Not bad.
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| palace99 New Mills 05 Sep 23 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not much of a derogatory term compared to the accusations of racism, xenophobia, bigotry and outright stupidity regularly levelled at leavers. i would also add greed to that list, and then yes some or all of those could probably be applied to a large number of brexit voters.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Sep 23 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by palace99
i would also add greed to that list, and then yes some or all of those could probably be applied to a large number of brexit voters. And if any of them could read they'd be late in taking back their library books too.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Sep 23 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by palace99
i would also add greed to that list, and then yes some or all of those could probably be applied to a large number of brexit voters. Have you worked out how having a green card reduces income tax yet? LMFAO
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jcreedy  05 Sep 23 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
All opinions welcome, can you support any with facts? Let's start with " all of us poorer by the day ". Many experts, more qualified than I am, can tell you why and how. As can the OBR, CBI, BoE, the House of Lords, and the thousands of business owners than can no longer export to the EU as they previously could. I work in the music industry. Nearly half of music industry artists or professionals have had EU-based work reduce since Brexit came into play. A quarter have had jobs/gig cancelled because of Brexit-related red tape. Think about an up and coming artist on a tight budget, trying to tour Europe to get their music out in the way that UK musicians have done for decades. They, their backing musicians and their crew are allowed 90 days in the EU in a 180 day period before it starts to get incredibly difficult. If you're crew, backing musicians or vocalists whose work is spread across various artists and agents, you're now limited on the amount or work you can do in Europe. Before Brexit you could just fill a van with your s*** and head off to Hamburg like the Beatles did without having to stress about visa/permit costs, day limits, and having to get a carnet for all of the kit you're transporting. It makes touring financially unviable for a huge percentage of artists, and without artists having the ability to tour in Europe, the worldwide reputation that we have for producing exceptional music and musicians will decline. This one tiny example of the damage that Brexit is doing to my particular industry. I could bore you with many more. Multiply that by the many unheard voices across the UK facing similar issues around trade, export and the financial feasibility of them, and you might have a bit of a lightbulb moment. Edited by jcreedy (05 Sep 2023 4.10pm)
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 05 Sep 23 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by jcreedy
Many experts, more qualified than I am, can tell you why and how. As can the OBR, CBI, BoE, the House of Lords, and the thousands of business owners than can no longer export to the EU as they previously could. I work in the music industry. Nearly half of music industry artists or professionals have had EU-based work reduce since Brexit came into play. A quarter have had jobs/gig cancelled because of Brexit-related red tape. Think about an up and coming artist on a tight budget, trying to tour Europe to get their music out in the way that UK musicians have done for decades. They, their backing musicians and their crew are allowed 90 days in the EU in a 180 day period before it starts to get incredibly difficult. If you're crew, backing musicians or vocalists whose work is spread across various artists and agents, you're now limited on the amount or work you can do in Europe. Before Brexit you could just fill a van with your s*** and head off to Hamburg like the Beatles did without having to stress about visa/permit costs, day limits, and having to get a carnet for all of the kit you're transporting. It makes touring financially unviable for a huge percentage of artists, and without artists having the ability to tour in Europe, the worldwide reputation that we have for producing exceptional music and musicians will decline. This one tiny example of the damage that Brexit is doing to my particular industry. I could bore you with many more. Multiply that by the many unheard voices across the UK facing similar issues around trade, export and the financial feasibility of them, and you might have a bit of a lightbulb moment. Edited by jcreedy (05 Sep 2023 4.10pm) One example does not make " all of us poorer ". The " experts " you mention are far from that. BoE has got everything wrong for years. CBI is a political lobbying body, the House of Lords LMFAO. Roger Daltrey has a different view to you. Referencing the Beatles is simply bizarre, that was before the EU existed so you would then be in favour of no EU. Too bad the music industry has apparently been made more difficult, ULEZ has made life difficult and expensive for thousands in the London area. Presumably EU musicians are similarly restricted so many more opportunities available in the UK where these EU musicians are jobs cancelled. Sometimes life has challenges Edited by HKOwen (05 Sep 2023 4.36pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 05 Sep 23 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by jcreedy
Many experts, more qualified than I am, can tell you why and how. As can the OBR, CBI, BoE, the House of Lords, and the thousands of business owners than can no longer export to the EU as they previously could. I work in the music industry. Nearly half of music industry artists or professionals have had EU-based work reduce since Brexit came into play. A quarter have had jobs/gig cancelled because of Brexit-related red tape. Think about an up and coming artist on a tight budget, trying to tour Europe to get their music out in the way that UK musicians have done for decades. They, their backing musicians and their crew are allowed 90 days in the EU in a 180 day period before it starts to get incredibly difficult. If you're crew, backing musicians or vocalists whose work is spread across various artists and agents, you're now limited on the amount or work you can do in Europe. Before Brexit you could just fill a van with your s*** and head off to Hamburg like the Beatles did without having to stress about visa/permit costs, day limits, and having to get a carnet for all of the kit you're transporting. It makes touring financially unviable for a huge percentage of artists, and without artists having the ability to tour in Europe, the worldwide reputation that we have for producing exceptional music and musicians will decline. This one tiny example of the damage that Brexit is doing to my particular industry. I could bore you with many more. Multiply that by the many unheard voices across the UK facing similar issues around trade, export and the financial feasibility of them, and you might have a bit of a lightbulb moment. Edited by jcreedy (05 Sep 2023 4.10pm) Who puts a time limit on these visas and why is the question. Is it our hmg or the eu being spiteful as they got the hump that we left. I don’t know who but be interested to know.
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