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 monkey  Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 24 Sep 23 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I agree with you. My comment was about the uncertainty that VAR has created. I suppose at least it did what it was supposed to today, because even in this day and age that was pretty stonewall, yet the ref still managed to miss it
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Sep 23 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Bring back deliberate arm to ball - and no VAR. The ref will make a mistake occasionally, but its better than this flawed time-consuming interference in play. So, so true, im with you on this. Funny, 3,4,5 years ago we were ALL(bbc/sky) were screaming, the game needed something 'electronic' to 'help' referee's to make informed/correct decisions. Well Goal line Tech has helped & been a success, VAR, on the other hand, has been an unmitigated disaster.
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| YT Oxford 24 Sep 23 4.39pm |
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Why not just make it like hockey, where you can hit the ball onto an opponent's foot or leg to get a free hit (or, in the area, a penalty corner)? All debate about handball would evaporate, and not only would there then be a new skill to be developed in directing the ball at an opponent's arm, there would be a great opportunity for double arm amputees to become professional footballers. (Actually the double arm amputee arguement applies under the current rules, so I haven't thought that small detail through very well).
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 24 Sep 23 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
So, so true, im with you on this. Funny, 3,4,5 years ago we were ALL(bbc/sky) were screaming, the game needed something 'electronic' to 'help' referee's to make informed/correct decisions. Well Goal line Tech has helped & been a success, VAR, on the other hand, has been an unmitigated disaster. Yes it has, in this afternoons late game Sheffield Utd were well in the game until a handball by Gordon (missed by the referee) kept the ball in play. That lead directly to the first goal which has changed the whole game. It is this sort of ‘Clear & Obvious’ error that VAR should be used for but what a flippin surprise…it won’t be used for that. Absolute joke of a system! Edited by Phil’s Barber (24 Sep 2023 5.36pm)
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| YT Oxford 24 Sep 23 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Yes it has, in this afternoons late game Sheffield Utd were well in the game until a handball by Gordon (missed by the referee) kept the ball in play. That lead directly to the first goal which has changed the whole game. It is this sort of ‘Clear & Obvious’ error that VAR should be used for but what a flippin surprise…it won’t be used for that. Absolute joke of a system! Edited by Phil’s Barber (24 Sep 2023 5.36pm) Agreed. VAR should be employed to right all wrongs, or none at all. The situation you described should be a direct free kick to Sheffield United and a yellow card to the offender (Gordon).
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 24 Sep 23 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Yes it has, in this afternoons late game Sheffield Utd were well in the game until a handball by Gordon (missed by the referee) kept the ball in play. That lead directly to the first goal which has changed the whole game. It is this sort of ‘Clear & Obvious’ error that VAR should be used for but what a flippin surprise…it won’t be used for that. Absolute joke of a system! Edited by Phil’s Barber (24 Sep 2023 5.36pm) You're right and there was another example in the earlier game when Romero was unfortunately penalised for a 'handball' which Saka converted.
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| Elpis In a pub 24 Sep 23 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Yes it has, in this afternoons late game Sheffield Utd were well in the game until a handball by Gordon (missed by the referee) kept the ball in play. That lead directly to the first goal which has changed the whole game. It is this sort of ‘Clear & Obvious’ error that VAR should be used for but what a flippin surprise…it won’t be used for that. Absolute joke of a system! Edited by Phil’s Barber (24 Sep 2023 5.36pm) Your right , and though Sheffield were awful the first 3 Newcastle goals all had question marks over them . It doesnt help with the pundits drooling over Newcastles performance
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 23 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
You are wrong on 3 counts Willo - as was VAR. 1 - Proximity, 0.2 of a second I refer to the following : "A deflection clearly makes no difference to the ball touching a hand/arm that is clearly extended away from the body and/or above the shoulder".
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 24 Sep 23 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I refer to the following : "A deflection clearly makes no difference to the ball touching a hand/arm that is clearly extended away from the body and/or above the shoulder". I believe you are behind the times Willo as these laws were update for the 23/24 season and the change of trajectory subsection now has no qualifying criteria. These new laws were sent out to all the clubs & managers at the start of the season. [Tweet Link]
Mike Dean, the Sky studio expert explained that under the new laws it was not handball and should not have been awarded as a penalty.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Sep 23 9.15am |
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For the Newcastle vs Sheff United game yesterday there was a catalogue of decisions that left me in no doubt as to the incompetence of the officials and rules, I actually stopped watching at HT. The ball clearly struck Gordon's arm, there was the FK I think for the third goal where a robust but fair challenge was deemed illegal despite not being so and then you had a clear penalty for Newcastle that was let slide for reasons unbeknown to me. For me it's a double edged sword in that the rules have changed so frequently and so many times that the instinctive understanding most footballing people have of the game is now one massive, ambiguous haze but also the incompetence of the referees enforcing them means it's near pot luck as to what is given and not. This is both infuriating for fans and piles on the pressure on already floundering officials. This is what happens when footballing decisions are taken to committee, a committee typically far beyond unfit for purpose. Edit: Can't remember where I saw it this week but Mike Dean got all confused over a time wasting discussion and he said that a 'team 3-0 up isn't going to waste time' when the rest of the panel where saying essentially that a team chasing the game would not time waste. This demonstrated one of two things: 1. Mike Dean has no idea about the game or 2. He crumbles under pressure in a catastrophic Joe Biden-esque manner. Says it all. Edited by Nicholas91 (25 Sep 2023 9.17am)
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| eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Sep 23 9.44am |
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Ive copied this off the Garth Crooks column & for the 1st time in a long time, he does(imo) talk a bit of sense . . . The Crooks of the Matter We now, for some inexplicable reason, have to suffer a rule change where if the ball strikes a player's hand or arm, whether its intentional or not, is a penalty. What was wrong with the original handball rule in the first place? I can't remember a player, coach, manager or football fan stating that they were dissatisfied with the original rule. Why are football's bureaucrats interfering with the same rules that have successfully served the industry for generations? They have now created such a febrile atmosphere at grounds. Referees are now compelled to stop the game every time the ball strikes a player's arm regardless of the speed the ball is travelling or whether the player can get his arm out of the way or not. Players are now asking for penalties regardless of whether a player has gained a material advantage while referees are taking an age to make a decision. Surely if a referee is having to take any time to make up his mind there must be sufficient doubt not to give the penalty at all. When elder statesmen like Crystal Palace manager Roy Hodgson make it clear that he has no interest in winning football matches based on bogus penalty decisions, we begin to understand the depth of feeling among some managers about this ridiculous rule. It's time that more managers spoke out and saved us from this absurd nonsense.
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| Putitout Oxford 25 Sep 23 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
For the Newcastle vs Sheff United game yesterday there was a catalogue of decisions that left me in no doubt as to the incompetence of the officials and rules, I actually stopped watching at HT. The ball clearly struck Gordon's arm, there was the FK I think for the third goal where a robust but fair challenge was deemed illegal despite not being so and then you had a clear penalty for Newcastle that was let slide for reasons unbeknown to me. For me it's a double edged sword in that the rules have changed so frequently and so many times that the instinctive understanding most footballing people have of the game is now one massive, ambiguous haze but also the incompetence of the referees enforcing them means it's near pot luck as to what is given and not. This is both infuriating for fans and piles on the pressure on already floundering officials. This is what happens when footballing decisions are taken to committee, a committee typically far beyond unfit for purpose. Edit: Can't remember where I saw it this week but Mike Dean got all confused over a time wasting discussion and he said that a 'team 3-0 up isn't going to waste time' when the rest of the panel where saying essentially that a team chasing the game would not time waste. This demonstrated one of two things: 1. Mike Dean has no idea about the game or 2. He crumbles under pressure in a catastrophic Joe Biden-esque manner. Says it all. Edited by Nicholas91 (25 Sep 2023 9.17am) The problem is in the last ten years in particular the powers that be in football have have fallen into the trap of over thinking what was only ever a simple game.
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