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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 12.40pm
Its a new religion this gender Ideology. Its being pushed on people and in schools. Its confusing young children. They are going home asking their parents if they can change genders. And as for the new sex education being pushed on young children its basically grooming them and making them sex aware. As for bringing drag queens into school for "Story time" most of these men its a kink of thiers wearing womens clothing. Half the time they could have an erection while reading to young children.
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16 Jun 23 12.40pm

Its a new religion this gender Ideology. Its being pushed on people and in schools.

Its confusing young children. They are going home asking their parents if they can change genders.

And as for the new sex education being pushed on young children its basically grooming them and making them sex aware.

As for bringing drag queens into school for "Story time" most of these men its a kink of thiers wearing womens clothing. Half the time they could have an erection while reading to young children.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 12.47pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Try telling kids who grew up in Ireland in the decades preceding this one that they weren't mandated to follow a religion, or that that religion wasn't hugely influential in the setting of laws that they were of course mandated to follow. Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that. I have both living NI and married in Irish family from Generation X onwards, I literally know what I'm talking about. Your suggestion that people in Ireland were living under 'religious oppression' is hyperbolic. I can't speak beyond that either way.....regardless, what matters is recent history. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.47pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 23 12.47pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Try telling kids who grew up in Ireland in the decades preceding this one that they weren't mandated to follow a religion, or that that religion wasn't hugely influential in the setting of laws that they were of course mandated to follow.

Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that.

I have both living NI and married in Irish family from Generation X onwards, I literally know what I'm talking about. Your suggestion that people in Ireland were living under 'religious oppression' is hyperbolic.

I can't speak beyond that either way.....regardless, what matters is recent history.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.47pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 12.47pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 How can teenagers and children be affected by 'decades' of religious oppression? Also, I think that's a bit racist to describe Ireland in such a manner, within this timescale. Religious oppression was, arguably, thematic further back in time but Ireland has been moving away from that for a while now. Are we to assume the radical left wing ideology will soon be sweeping the far more religiously oppressed Middle East in forthcoming years? Were the Germans, an advanced nation at the time, allowing Nazism to run rampant more as a result of rebellion against religion than Goebbels and co.'s propaganda campaigns?` You're hanging to quite a weak argument there. I'd also argue people forever bleating on about what they subjectively identify as, to escape the failures of their actual existence, wanting to enshrine their non-scientific delusions in law, fly flags and hold parades as far more boring than anything else. It's quite ironic to counter an argument by accusing people of being 'reductionist' and weighting your position by denouncing them as 'boring'. "Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that."
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Originally posted by Nicholas91

How can teenagers and children be affected by 'decades' of religious oppression? Also, I think that's a bit racist to describe Ireland in such a manner, within this timescale. Religious oppression was, arguably, thematic further back in time but Ireland has been moving away from that for a while now. Are we to assume the radical left wing ideology will soon be sweeping the far more religiously oppressed Middle East in forthcoming years? Were the Germans, an advanced nation at the time, allowing Nazism to run rampant more as a result of rebellion against religion than Goebbels and co.'s propaganda campaigns?` You're hanging to quite a weak argument there.

I'd also argue people forever bleating on about what they subjectively identify as, to escape the failures of their actual existence, wanting to enshrine their non-scientific delusions in law, fly flags and hold parades as far more boring than anything else. It's quite ironic to counter an argument by accusing people of being 'reductionist' and weighting your position by denouncing them as 'boring'.

"Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that."

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 12.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I have both living NI and married in Irish family from Generation X onwards, I literally know what I'm talking about. Your suggestion that people in Ireland were living under 'religious oppression' is hyperbolic. I can't speak beyond that either way.....regardless, what matters is recent history. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.47pm) Both my parents and all four of my grandparents are/were Irish... I'll let them know they are hyperbolic. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Jun 2023 12.50pm)
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SE19 16 Jun 23 12.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I can't speak beyond that either way.....regardless, what matters is recent history.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 12.47pm)

Both my parents and all four of my grandparents are/were Irish...

I'll let them know they are hyperbolic.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Jun 2023 12.50pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 12.50pm
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm) Nor should they. It's not for parents to determine the curriculum. Whether there should be an opt-out available, as there is for RE is another matter but I don't think the same considerations apply and all children must be given this advice these days. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 12.50pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Bit more than “basic” Seems parents don’t have a say

Edited by Spiderman (16 Jun 2023 12.09pm)

Nor should they. It's not for parents to determine the curriculum. Whether there should be an opt-out available, as there is for RE is another matter but I don't think the same considerations apply and all children must be given this advice these days.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.50pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow "Societal trends are never going to be explained purely by one thing, and it's just an obvious fact that the overbearing nature of religion in Ireland would have had an impact on its culture - there is nothing contentious in that." It's hard to argue against such a flimsy statement with no source. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.50pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's hard to argue against such a flimsy statement with no source.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 12.53pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 It's hard to argue against such a flimsy statement with no source. It's even harder to argue against someone who can't understand the sentence "decades of religious oppression".
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Jun 23 12.53pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It's hard to argue against such a flimsy statement with no source.

It's even harder to argue against someone who can't understand the sentence "decades of religious oppression".

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.56pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It's even harder to argue against someone who can't understand the sentence "decades of religious oppression". Who stated they did not understand that? Or are you still desperately trying to keyboard warrior? It's the ultimate exhibition of a very weak character and position. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.56pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's even harder to argue against someone who can't understand the sentence "decades of religious oppression".

Who stated they did not understand that? Or are you still desperately trying to keyboard warrior? It's the ultimate exhibition of a very weak character and position.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 12.57pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Both my parents and all four of my grandparents are/were Irish... I'll let them know they are hyperbolic. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Jun 2023 12.50pm) All I can say to this is If your grandparents had your ideas on this they were obviously very much in the minority. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 23 12.57pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Both my parents and all four of my grandparents are/were Irish...

I'll let them know they are hyperbolic.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Jun 2023 12.50pm)

All I can say to this is If your grandparents had your ideas on this they were obviously very much in the minority.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 1.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays All I can say to this is If your grandparents had your ideas on this they were obviously very much in the minority. What ideas?
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SE19 16 Jun 23 1.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

All I can say to this is If your grandparents had your ideas on this they were obviously very much in the minority.

What ideas?

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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 1.06pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow What ideas? Religious oppression in Ireland...that's what we are talking about isn't it? I'm curious...as an aside....As both your parents are Irish why would you consider yourself English? Just going by the flag obviously....Is it just because you live in England....I have no angle or criticism related to that, just curious. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 1.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jun 23 1.06pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What ideas?

Religious oppression in Ireland...that's what we are talking about isn't it?

I'm curious...as an aside....As both your parents are Irish why would you consider yourself English? Just going by the flag obviously....Is it just because you live in England....I have no angle or criticism related to that, just curious.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 1.09pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jun 23 1.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Religious oppression in Ireland...that's what we are talking about isn't it? I'm curious...as an aside....As both your parents are Irish why would you consider yourself English? Just going by the flag obviously....Is it just because you live in England....I have no angle or criticism related to that, just curious. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 1.09pm) Yeah sure, just wasn't sure that's what you meant - without going into too much detail, my nan fell pregnant out of wedlock in the 60s and you can probably imagine the fallout from something like that in rural, catholic Ireland - I'm sure my grandparents feelings about the influence of the church were exasperated after a situation like that, but I don't think that type of experience was particularly uncommon. Genuinely I barely notice(d) the England flag, it would've just been the default when I set up this account many years ago - I haven't lived in SE19 for nearly 10 years either! I feel a lot of affiliation with both countries - I'd struggle to outright label myself as English or Irish.
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SE19 16 Jun 23 1.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Religious oppression in Ireland...that's what we are talking about isn't it?

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 1.09pm)

Yeah sure, just wasn't sure that's what you meant - without going into too much detail, my nan fell pregnant out of wedlock in the 60s and you can probably imagine the fallout from something like that in rural, catholic Ireland - I'm sure my grandparents feelings about the influence of the church were exasperated after a situation like that, but I don't think that type of experience was particularly uncommon.

Genuinely I barely notice(d) the England flag, it would've just been the default when I set up this account many years ago - I haven't lived in SE19 for nearly 10 years either!

I feel a lot of affiliation with both countries - I'd struggle to outright label myself as English or Irish.

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