For God sake the bottom line was Vieira was useless at all aspects of being a manager, he should have been sacked months before, if he hadn't i am certain we would have be relegated, move on, end of thread

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

What I've learned from this was that it was a bit rash of Parish to entrust him with the job as manager. It's not just him but his backup team that has to be top notch. Something wasn't quite right so Parish took the decision to part company at the international break. I'm sure we'll get 7-10 more points so that we'll be well clear of rel gation by the end of season. I'm sure that the next manager will be much more experienced than Vieira was when he took over

I genuinely think you're wrong there, and there are plenty of examples to prove the point. New managers - not just in football but in any business - often get off to a fast start simply because initially, they're a breath of fresh air for a group of stale players (or employees). But the proof of the pudding is whether they sustain their initial performance, or if after a while they get found out and things decline.

One obvious example is Pardew, whose Palace team flew (largely driven by experienced players like Jedi rather than his management skills) for the first four months of his tenure before the wheels rapidly came off once the players realised he had nothing to offer.

It was similar with Vieira; initially (last year), the players were receptive to the changes he brought in and they performed for him. Once they realised how poor a coach and manager he was, it fairly rapidly went south. I don't think we were ever really challenging for Europe this year. We started poorly, had a brief good run where we amassed points but largely without performing well, and then reverted to type. I don't know if we'd have gone down or not had Vieira stayed but I do think it's a least possible we would have.

As I've said many times, I loved PVs persona, his dignity, and some of the stylistic changes he brought. I was desperately sad things didn't work out. But he had to go. He simply wasn't a good manager, not even close.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

This season Roy all day as Pat had lost his bottle and any ideas on how to win or attempt to win. And not cool either.

I'd agree with this.

The fact of the matter, is that something have gone a bit wrong, but the terrible run of fixtures wouldn't have helped. Could he have turned it around? Maybe, maybe not...

Does it make him a terrible manager. Not really. There aren't many managers out there that havent been sacked, that have struggled to repeat success, or have seen performances fall off a cliff. The only that actually spring to mind are Fergie and Pep that have managed to maintain a consistently high standard.

Sometimes things need a fresh set of ideas, a new voice etc.

Now I'm not saying that Roy hasn't done well, because he has. But his first 3 games were against teams who were/are even more devoid of confidence than we were. And against Leeds we pretty much scored with every shot, and whilst comfortable we weren't great against Southampton

Everyone keeps saying how dire the last two seasons were with Roy and I'd agree things were very stale at the end.

However, the facts were we were safe well before the end of the 19/20 season and the world became an extraordinary place.

The players played the season out through COVID, understandably lost a bit of motivation during the dead rubbers and a large group fans went off their heads because they had fvck all else to do.

The following season we started with the previously written off Scott Dann at centre back and despite winning our first two games some fans were still squealing like pigs and complaing about Harry Kane taking corners.

Vieira was a poor third choice and it's become evident Conor Gallagher kept him in a job.