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  Hrolf The Ganger  15 Apr 22 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by kevlee
Despite what the majority of those on this thread might think, most normal voters will look at this as a pretty unpleasant policy. It won't deter people traffickers one iota. You mean people who think like you. I'd say the majority will see this as a positive attempt to deter traffickers and illegals.
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by kevlee
Despite what the majority of those on this thread might think, most normal voters will look at this as a pretty unpleasant policy. It won't deter people traffickers one iota. I have to disagree with regarding people smugglers. If and it’s a big if (imo), this scheme starts, those economic migrants who are crossing the Channel will most certainly have second thoughts about coming to the UK. This will affect the people smugglers enormously, as they will not have the “customers” to traffic.
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| Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But isn't one option a return to your country of origin? They would end up in Rwanda either way, wouldn't they? Unfortunately it does not work as smoothly as that. Anyone arriving who claims to be Rwandan, will not be sent there until their case has been considered. TBF if one does have a genuine case for asylum, they should not be sent back to the country where their life is in danger. Those who are not Rwandan, On being returned to Rwanda, will then claim they are from elsewhere, the HO then have to obtain documentation from that Government before removing them, this process, if successful takes years.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 22 2.37pm |
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I wonder what the brochure looks like?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 22 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Unfortunately it does not work as smoothly as that. Anyone arriving who claims to be Rwandan, will not be sent there until their case has been considered. TBF if one does have a genuine case for asylum, they should not be sent back to the country where their life is in danger. Those who are not Rwandan, On being returned to Rwanda, will then claim they are from elsewhere, the HO then have to obtain documentation from that Government before removing them, this process, if successful takes years. Your personal experience of the system clearly gives you a much better understanding of the difficulties we face than many on here. Tackling the people smugglers at source always seemed the answer to me, but the more I know, the harder that actually seems, as there are so many of them, using a great variety of routes. Do you think this new scheme has any chance of success, or is, as I suspect, just a political gesture? If not, is there anything else, practically, that you think we can do?
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Apr 22 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your personal experience of the system clearly gives you a much better understanding of the difficulties we face than many on here. Tackling the people smugglers at source always seemed the answer to me, but the more I know, the harder that actually seems, as there are so many of them, using a great variety of routes. Do you think this new scheme has any chance of success, or is, as I suspect, just a political gesture? If not, is there anything else, practically, that you think we can do? Make them swim the last 2 miles. It's a joke wissie
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Apr 22 3.09pm |
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Johnson described Rwanda as one of the safest countries in the world and said the plan was an “innovative approach, driven by our shared humanitarian impulse”. Really then why does the UK grant asylum to refugees fleeing from Rwanda? 'UK condemns Rwanda for human rights abuses' two months ago.
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| cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 22 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by kevlee
Despite what the majority of those on this thread might think, most normal voters will look at this as a pretty unpleasant policy. It won't deter people traffickers one iota. Well I'm a normal voter and I would set up a place in the antarctic. That would deal with the issue.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 22 3.13pm |
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A week in Pontins would be the ultimate deterrent.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 22 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson described Rwanda as one of the safest countries in the world and said the plan was an “innovative approach, driven by our shared humanitarian impulse”. Really then why does the UK grant asylum to refugees fleeing from Rwanda? 'UK condemns Rwanda for human rights abuses' two months ago.
They have an impulse, they just haven't acted on it yet. Keep up.
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| Beanyboysmd 15 Apr 22 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So Boris announces the new strategy to combat illegals. I have little confidence that the government will handle this competently, but it is a step in the right direction. One step closer to my little plan of starting a new city for illegals that Wisbech scoffed at. My problem is that Boris is singing the praises of legal migrants, telling us how 60% of the England team is of immigrant background and don't forget the NHS. The NHS that is no longer fit for purpose. Are we supposed to be pleased by that? What he forgets is all the problems that mass immigration has caused and, in some cases, the rather poor choices of immigrants we have allowed to come here. Sure, we can celebrate some benefits of immigration, but frankly I'd say that most of the benefit has been for the immigrants themselves at our expense. The truth is that illegal immigration is a growing problem that has to be stopped, but right now the flow of illegals is dwarfed by the numbers coming here legally. It's all very well getting all tough on channel crossers and the scum that facilitate their journey, but this hides a grater truth about this green and pleasant land being swamped by foreigners using up resources and eroding our heritage. How many more will we'welcome'until Britain is no longer recognisable? Cant really have a debate with you as we don't even agree on the basics of reality. So I will explain where I stand, because my entire philosophy is polar to yours, but I will explain it in much detail as I can... Immigration is good
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Apr 22 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Cant really have a debate with you as we don't even agree on the basics of reality. So I will explain where I stand, because my entire philosophy is polar to yours, but I will explain it in much detail as I can... Immigration is good Seriously? It is just as well that I won't have to debate with someone who reduces something to 'good' as opposed to bad. Reductivism is designed to avoid certain realities in most cases.
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