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 Mapletree  Croydon 03 Apr 22 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why are you waffling on about slavery? It has no bearing on the irrationality of removing statues. Neither does it alter the fact that mass immigration is at the heart of yet another issue that we now have that we happily lived without before. No one alive was involved with African slavery, and those people who benefited did it legally until it was halted. No one alive can take any credit for that either. Erasing history will change nothing and moreover, it is bonkers to retrospectively condemn people, and their statues, for doing something that was legal and accepted by most in their day. What we think now has no bearing on their deeds. It all happened several lifetimes ago. Get a grip. If only you could read I made it clear I have no desire to erase history, quite the opposite I just can see why people object to having a statue of a slave trader looking down upon them all self important like. They should be items of curiosity in a museum not icons of our great cities. How about if it were a modern slaver? Say one who manipulates asylum seekers into the sex trade but is not caught doing anything illegal. Is that still fine? Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2022 10.42pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 22 11.34pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You should check your Google filters. It was on the BBC last week. You’d have to show me where anyone says it should be removed. I’ve looked carefully at the article. All I see is a call for making an apology to those whose ancestors were enslaved.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 03 Apr 22 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
The original poster may not be aware but Glasgow has a complex relationship with slavery; indeed Glasgow University recognises that whilst it never enslaved people or traded in slaves, it did receive significant financial support from people whose wealth came from slavery. The university has stated that it regrets this historic association with slavery and as a result created a centre for the study of slavery and a memorial at the university for the enslaved. To me, there response was admirable - recognise the past but put the focus on education and the enslaved. In passing, I wonder if anyone on here has ever been to Goree - an island very close to Dakar in Senegal where one Patrick Vieira comes from. It was the largest slave trading centre in Africa for 5 centuries and is now a world heritage site reminding the world of human exploitation and acting as a sanctuary for recognition. It is a thoroughly sobering experience so well worth a visit. The original poster is very aware that to gaslight Livingstone is a pompous and absurd view, it is virtue signalling of the highest order IMHO.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Apr 22 11.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You should check your Google filters. It was on the BBC last week. Pesky facts again
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Apr 22 11.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You’d have to show me where anyone says it should be removed. I’ve looked carefully at the article. All I see is a call for making an apology to those whose ancestors were enslaved. Here you are The statue removal bandwagon eagerly jumped on by the left lemmings anxious to show their online friends how good and woke they are Edited by HKOwen (03 Apr 2022 11.59pm)
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 04 Apr 22 12.37am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Walk north of Croydon town centre. I'd prefer to be in a vehicle.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 04 Apr 22 12.39am |
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the Greek, the Roman, the Celtic and the Viking World were all slave owning, slave trading. mostly white slaves. Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Apr 2022 12.40am)
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Teddy Eagle  04 Apr 22 12.56am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the Greek, the Roman, the Celtic and the Viking World were all slave owning, slave trading. mostly white slaves. Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Apr 2022 12.40am) And it’s still happening.
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Apr 22 6.35am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You’d have to show me where anyone says it should be removed. I’ve looked carefully at the article. All I see is a call for making an apology to those whose ancestors were enslaved. Apologies for what? Something people did over a 200 odd years ago. That being the case why arnt Germans forever begging forgiveness, I mean that was less than 100 years ago.
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 georgenorman 04 Apr 22 8.10am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Erm, because the thread is about slavery? The root of your approach seems to be that if people object to a statue of someone or something, they have a right to tear it down. As someone or other will object to absolutely any statue, we might as well take them all down to avoid the civil disturbances.
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Apr 22 8.28am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Here you are The statue removal bandwagon eagerly jumped on by the left lemmings anxious to show their online friends how good and woke they are Edited by HKOwen (03 Apr 2022 11.59pm) Exactly No comment at all on removal Get a life people
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Apr 22 8.29am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The root of your approach seems to be that if people object to a statue of someone or something, they have a right to tear it down. As someone or other will object to absolutely any statue, we might as well take them all down to avoid the civil disturbances. Nobody is tearing a statue down FFS Fake news from the angry dinosaur
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