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Mapletree Croydon 17 Mar 22 2.44pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly The British Government(s) always knew it was about this (the contract for tanks). Why they just didn't pay up what they owed, rather than waste 6 years of someone's life is beyond me. The press were starting to dig deep about this and something was going to be published, so that's what has forced the Government's hands. Pleased it's over for her, but disgusted by the way it was handled by UK Government. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Mar 2022 8.00am) I think it was put into the 'too hard' bin. For sure it was a debt that was owed but also Iran was on the sanctions list and there was a genuine fear that the money could fund activities dangerous to our interests. The 'too hard' bin in my opinion is there largely due to the way in which the politicians are rotated, nobody has to properly carry the can and nobody really cares enough.
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Croydon 17 Mar 22 2.44pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The British Government(s) always knew it was about this (the contract for tanks). Why they just didn't pay up what they owed, rather than waste 6 years of someone's life is beyond me.
The press were starting to dig deep about this and something was going to be published, so that's what has forced the Government's hands.

Pleased it's over for her, but disgusted by the way it was handled by UK Government.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Mar 2022 8.00am)

I think it was put into the 'too hard' bin. For sure it was a debt that was owed but also Iran was on the sanctions list and there was a genuine fear that the money could fund activities dangerous to our interests. The 'too hard' bin in my opinion is there largely due to the way in which the politicians are rotated, nobody has to properly carry the can and nobody really cares enough.

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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Mar 22 4.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We had a simple choice of honouring our obligations over the order, Iran have been completely in the right this whole affair. The debt should have been paid and none of this would have happened it would have been forgotten. The UK likes to lecture about the rule of law and adhering to contracts but in reality it is as rotten as a pear. More of your usual anti British ignorance. I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you.
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Originally posted by steeleye20

We had a simple choice of honouring our obligations over the order, Iran have been completely in the right this whole affair.

The debt should have been paid and none of this would have happened it would have been forgotten.

The UK likes to lecture about the rule of law and adhering to contracts but in reality it is as rotten as a pear.

More of your usual anti British ignorance.

I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you.

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Mar 22 6.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger More of your usual anti British ignorance. I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you.
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Croydon 17 Mar 22 6.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More of your usual anti British ignorance.

I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you.

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silvertop Portishead 17 Mar 22 7.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger More of your usual anti British ignorance. I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you. Laughing aside Hrolf, our government has admitted this debt many times, including formally at international tribunal; and yet we have still failed to honour that agreement. We are, by our own admission, the party in breach of terms. And yes, I am aware that the issue was complicated by sanctions, doing as our cross-Atlantic cousins tell us, and the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" conundrum. However, the underlying admitted debt was a reality.
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Portishead 17 Mar 22 7.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More of your usual anti British ignorance.

I suggest you leave Britain immediately and live somewhere you like. Perhaps Moscow would suit you.

Laughing aside Hrolf, our government has admitted this debt many times, including formally at international tribunal; and yet we have still failed to honour that agreement. We are, by our own admission, the party in breach of terms.

And yes, I am aware that the issue was complicated by sanctions, doing as our cross-Atlantic cousins tell us, and the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" conundrum.

However, the underlying admitted debt was a reality.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Mar 22 6.44am
But why now ? Has the regime changed in Iran ? Could it be we are trying to be nice to Iran over oil ? Could it be the BBC were about to spill out everything about the tank deal ? Timing is everything, and it's also a couple more Brownie-points for Johnson when he desperately needs them. I disengage, I turn the page.
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But why now ?

Has the regime changed in Iran ?
Could it be we are trying to be nice to Iran over oil ?
Could it be the BBC were about to spill out everything about the tank deal ?

Timing is everything, and it's also a couple more Brownie-points for Johnson when he desperately needs them.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Dubai Eagle 18 Mar 22 6.57am
Hi N91- For sure the meeja have a lot to answer for - I remember sitting in an office in Dubai (circa 2012) talking on the phone to a CEO of a company in the USA , she said I will visit you when the war is over, I laughed & asked, what war ? she had seen a number of reports in her press, also got her countries mixed up & on the strength of that she believed that pretty much the whole Middle East was at war. Originally posted by Nicholas91 I think you've exposed a huge hole in geopolitical thinking these days and the power of propaganda, sorry, media. I would quite happily state that I could in no way be encouraged to visit Iran, for any reason, as to do so I would consider it within the realms of suicidal. Having said that, all we ever hear about are extremists from all stretches of life in the media, as that's what is newsworthy and I still hold an unfashionable opinion that: No matter where you go in this world, the vast majority of people, on their own, are decent, well meaning beings. I do also like the notion that a lot of these places have certain laws, practices etc in place, which are rightly condemned however the apparent view is that they have a far superior democracy to ours in which every single person has wholeheartedly endorsed them.
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18 Mar 22 6.57am

Hi N91-
For sure the meeja have a lot to answer for - I remember sitting in an office in Dubai (circa 2012) talking on the phone to a CEO of a company in the USA , she said I will visit you when the war is over, I laughed & asked, what war ? she had seen a number of reports in her press, also got her countries mixed up & on the strength of that she believed that pretty much the whole Middle East was at war.

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think you've exposed a huge hole in geopolitical thinking these days and the power of propaganda, sorry, media.

I would quite happily state that I could in no way be encouraged to visit Iran, for any reason, as to do so I would consider it within the realms of suicidal.

Having said that, all we ever hear about are extremists from all stretches of life in the media, as that's what is newsworthy and I still hold an unfashionable opinion that:

No matter where you go in this world, the vast majority of people, on their own, are decent, well meaning beings.

I do also like the notion that a lot of these places have certain laws, practices etc in place, which are rightly condemned however the apparent view is that they have a far superior democracy to ours in which every single person has wholeheartedly endorsed them.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Mar 22 8.16am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly But why now ? Has the regime changed in Iran ? Could it be we are trying to be nice to Iran over oil ? Could it be the BBC were about to spill out everything about the tank deal ? Timing is everything, and it's also a couple more Brownie-points for Johnson when he desperately needs them. It suits everybody for this to be put to bed. The Iranians have had a thing about their citizens having dual nationality lots of others have got into trouble with this over the years. UK Governments since the 1970's have withheld these funds wrongly, in my opinion, and this has been seem by the Iranians as a matter of honour and therefore a sticking point in relations. Why now is obvious, it suits both sides to move on. As for your comment about the BBC and the tank deal, I don't think there is anything new to say it came out in the seventies. As I indicated above I think Nazanin was unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, i don't believe she was a spy or anything like that. The Boris made it worse by misspeaking which was all the excuse the Iranians needed to keep hold of her. I'm glad she's out and let''s hope this is the start of a more civilised relationship. Iran is a fantastic country with a rich cultural heritage and could make a fortune from tourism if they stop arresting "tourists". One more point
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Beckenham 18 Mar 22 8.16am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

But why now ?

Has the regime changed in Iran ?
Could it be we are trying to be nice to Iran over oil ?
Could it be the BBC were about to spill out everything about the tank deal ?

Timing is everything, and it's also a couple more Brownie-points for Johnson when he desperately needs them.

It suits everybody for this to be put to bed. The Iranians have had a thing about their citizens having dual nationality lots of others have got into trouble with this over the years.

UK Governments since the 1970's have withheld these funds wrongly, in my opinion, and this has been seem by the Iranians as a matter of honour and therefore a sticking point in relations.

Why now is obvious, it suits both sides to move on.

As for your comment about the BBC and the tank deal, I don't think there is anything new to say it came out in the seventies.

As I indicated above I think Nazanin was unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, i don't believe she was a spy or anything like that. The Boris made it worse by misspeaking which was all the excuse the Iranians needed to keep hold of her.

I'm glad she's out and let''s hope this is the start of a more civilised relationship.

Iran is a fantastic country with a rich cultural heritage and could make a fortune from tourism if they stop arresting "tourists".

One more point

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Stirlingsays 18 Mar 22 8.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 It suits everybody for this to be put to bed. The Iranians have had a thing about their citizens having dual nationality lots of others have got into trouble with this over the years. UK Governments since the 1970's have withheld these funds wrongly, in my opinion, and this has been seem by the Iranians as a matter of honour and therefore a sticking point in relations. Why now is obvious, it suits both sides to move on. As for your comment about the BBC and the tank deal, I don't think there is anything new to say it came out in the seventies. As I indicated above I think Nazanin was unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, i don't believe she was a spy or anything like that. The Boris made it worse by misspeaking which was all the excuse the Iranians needed to keep hold of her. I'm glad she's out and let''s hope this is the start of a more civilised relationship. Iran is a fantastic country with a rich cultural heritage and could make a fortune from tourism if they stop arresting "tourists". So do I. So do the Americans....quite a few countries. Dual nationality is dual allegiance. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 8.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Mar 22 8.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

It suits everybody for this to be put to bed. The Iranians have had a thing about their citizens having dual nationality lots of others have got into trouble with this over the years.

UK Governments since the 1970's have withheld these funds wrongly, in my opinion, and this has been seem by the Iranians as a matter of honour and therefore a sticking point in relations.

Why now is obvious, it suits both sides to move on.

As for your comment about the BBC and the tank deal, I don't think there is anything new to say it came out in the seventies.

I'm glad she's out and let''s hope this is the start of a more civilised relationship.

Iran is a fantastic country with a rich cultural heritage and could make a fortune from tourism if they stop arresting "tourists".

So do I.

So do the Americans....quite a few countries.

Dual nationality is dual allegiance.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 8.38am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Mar 22 8.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So do I. So do the Americans....quite a few countries. Dual nationality is dual allegiance. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 8.38am) Agreed. All those Remainers should have their British passports confiscated. One more point
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Beckenham 18 Mar 22 8.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So do I.

So do the Americans....quite a few countries.

Dual nationality is dual allegiance.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 8.38am)

Agreed. All those Remainers should have their British passports confiscated.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 18 Mar 22 8.49am
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed. All those Remainers should have their British passports confiscated. The way Johnson has interpreted Brexit it might as well have been remain. He increased immigration....which was the basis of most Brexit votes. The elites make a pretence out of democracy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Mar 22 8.49am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed. All those Remainers should have their British passports confiscated.

The way Johnson has interpreted Brexit it might as well have been remain.

He increased immigration....which was the basis of most Brexit votes.

The elites make a pretence out of democracy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Dubai Eagle 18 Mar 22 8.53am
If you are lucky enough to be born with one of the more internationally acceptable passports - example UK / Euro / USA - that's great, you live in a democracy, you get to travel freely (lots of countries don't require you to have a visa) & by and large you have the opportunity to experience plenty that the wider world has to offer - absolutely marvellous - Not everyone is that fortunate.
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18 Mar 22 8.53am

If you are lucky enough to be born with one of the more internationally acceptable passports - example UK / Euro / USA - that's great, you live in a democracy, you get to travel freely
(lots of countries don't require you to have a visa) & by and large you have the opportunity to experience plenty that the wider world has to offer - absolutely marvellous -

Not everyone is that fortunate.

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Mar 22 6.55pm
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle If you are lucky enough to be born with one of the more internationally acceptable passports - example UK / Euro / USA - that's great, you live in a democracy, you get to travel freely (lots of countries don't require you to have a visa) & by and large you have the opportunity to experience plenty that the wider world has to offer - absolutely marvellous - Not everyone is that fortunate. Haha. I really don’t think that is high on Stirling’s agenda. It’s too much hassle to even travel to Selhurst. Not sure anyone in Wisbech has a passport anyway.
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Croydon 18 Mar 22 6.55pm

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Not everyone is that fortunate.

Haha. I really don’t think that is high on Stirling’s agenda. It’s too much hassle to even travel to Selhurst. Not sure anyone in Wisbech has a passport anyway.

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