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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Mar 22 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles

It's more in Palace's interests for them to go down than Burnley or Leeds.
Any historic fondness we might have for the club or their fans is irrelevant. The ownership and backing poses more of a challenge to our own progression than say Fulham and is foreign anyway so the extent to which it can be called a fans' club is limited. We have yanks as investors anyway, so we're not too dissimilar.

My preference would be to see the Stripy Saudis go down of course, but their current form suggests otherwise.

Not sure about that. If Everton get relegated then when they return they’re less likely to get relegated than, for example, Wigan. Ideally you want small/smaller clubs being promoted and being relegated within 2 seasons over and over again. But there is a downside in that eventually you could end up with all the Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday size clubs in the premier league, however, that’s never happened and that’s because fan pressure demands they climb higher than fighting relegation and down some of them go.

As long as you know your manager, or more importantly squad (seeing as it’s normal now to sack a manager around 10 or 4 games in), are better than at least 3/4/5 teams that season, you’ve got a good chance of never being relegated. Parish just about ensured this, while having no backups or no players for certain positions, yet how many times have we seen teams who haven’t just been promoted go into the next season poorly stocked?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Mar 22 12.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No the most unimaginable of dreams Uphill!

I don't think we can be overconfident in this one. It just depends on what Palace turn up most of the time and if we do I think it will take something special for them to get a result, they look awful. I still don't think it's Fat Frank's fault, the whole operation is a mess!

He has only been manager for 5 PL games.
He joined them when they were 16th in the table having lost 7 of their previous 10 PL games.
Calvert-Lewin has only recently returned from an injury which kept him out for a couple of months and influential players Godfrey and Mina are currently unavailable, both not playing for about a month.


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2022 12.35pm)

 

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Dubai Eagle Flag 08 Mar 22 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I remember reading several articles saying that he didnt think we were the right challenge for him (not wanting a relegation dog fight / the squad rebuild project being to much for us as a club to cope with) I dont remember reading a single article that said that we had actually approached him, discussed the vacancy with him, interviewed him or offered him the job.

Originally posted by monkey

We needed a new manager and he was available, I suspect that’s as far as it went, unless anyone see him in sainsbury’s, then I’ll stand corrected

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 08 Mar 22 2.08pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

The Everton job, is somewhat of a poisoned chalice.

Like Spurs, they constantly underachieve based on their squad regardless of the calibre of manager they bring in.
Both these jobs must look mega attractive to a manager, but they never seem to work out. With Spurs I reckon its the Levy factor, but not so sure the same can be Levelled at Everton.
Their current problem is that so many of those that have underachieved in the past - or indeed had a modicum of success under Moyes are still there, their squad looks old, stale and needing a lot of work.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Mar 22 2.14pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The Everton job, is somewhat of a poisoned chalice.

Like Spurs, they constantly underachieve based on their squad regardless of the calibre of manager they bring in.
Both these jobs must look mega attractive to a manager, but they never seem to work out. With Spurs I reckon its the Levy factor, but not so sure the same can be Levelled at Everton.
Their current problem is that so many of those that have underachieved in the past - or indeed had a modicum of success under Moyes are still there, their squad looks old, stale and needing a lot of work.

Hmm . . . Where have i heard that before

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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sydtheeagle Flag England 08 Mar 22 2.29pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by eagle@ tn34

I dont expect Everton to get relegated....

COYP

Before saying that, have you looked at Everton's remaining fixtures?:

Wolves H
Newcastle H
Palace A
West Ham A
Man Utd H
Liverpool A
Chelsea H
Leicester A
Brentford H
Arsenal A

That's six games against teams playing for or already in the top 4. Newcastle is resurgent and Leicester seem to be coming round to form as are we. Of those ten games, only Brentford would you confidently expect them to pick up points.

Based on remaining games, I expect Everton to go down. I can't see them getting more than 9 points from those ten games (and just to do that, assuming they beat Brentford they'd still have to beat two of Wolves, Newcastle, us, and Leicester which hardly seems likely). That would leave them on 31. The only thing that might save them is if Burnley, Leeds, and Watford end up with less. But Burnley have by far the easiest run-in.

I reckon 32 or 33 points may well be enough to keep you up this year and it's probably between Leeds and Everton for the final relegation place. Goal difference may well decide it.

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 08 Mar 22 2.38pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The Everton job, is somewhat of a poisoned chalice.

I agree, but it's a poisoned chalice more than anything else because the fans are delusional. They think they're a big club, demand to act like they're a big club, and then things rapidly turn sour when history repeats itself and it becomes obvious they're not a big club. They hired totally the wrong manager for a relegation battle (see my earlier post) precisely because they think they're too big for a Roy-type so Moshiri gave the fans the glamour name they wanted (Lampard) and...that's working out well, isn't it? Just like it did with Ancelotti, who ran for the hills the first time a proper big club came calling. Everton fans over the past year have created an absolutely toxic atmosphere around the club and it's no wonder everything's falling apart. Yes, I get why they didn't want Benitez and hiring him was an awful decision but at the end of the day, their reaction to his hiring is quite likely to cost the club its Premier League status. As we at Palace know better than most supporters, what you have to do is get 100% behind your manager and your team, whether you like it or not. Our ability to do that is one of the reasons we've stayed in the Prem for ten years now putting up with Pulis, Sam, and Roy giving us week after week of sometimes dire football because the price was worth paying and first and foremost, we support the Palace no matter what. Everton supporters right now are a self-deluding joke.

 


Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Mar 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Hmm . . . Where have i heard that before

Old, stale and needing a lot of work?

Haven't been talking to my wife have you Eagleman?

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Mar 22 2.59pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Old, stale and needing a lot of work?

Haven't been talking to my wife have you Eagleman?

I couldn't possibly say Nic, it's the height of bad manners, not to mention, at great risk of personal injury, to divulge a womens privacy.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Mar 22 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

I couldn't possibly say Nic, it's the height of bad manners, not to mention, at great risk of personal injury, to divulge a womens privacy.

I've just read again, for clarity, it was for intended as self-deprecating but works either way I suppose!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Mar 22 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I agree, but it's a poisoned chalice more than anything else because the fans are delusional. They think they're a big club, demand to act like they're a big club, and then things rapidly turn sour when history repeats itself and it becomes obvious they're not a big club. They hired totally the wrong manager for a relegation battle (see my earlier post) precisely because they think they're too big for a Roy-type so Moshiri gave the fans the glamour name they wanted (Lampard) and...that's working out well, isn't it? Just like it did with Ancelotti, who ran for the hills the first time a proper big club came calling. Everton fans over the past year have created an absolutely toxic atmosphere around the club and it's no wonder everything's falling apart. Yes, I get why they didn't want Benitez and hiring him was an awful decision but at the end of the day, their reaction to his hiring is quite likely to cost the club its Premier League status. As we at Palace know better than most supporters, what you have to do is get 100% behind your manager and your team, whether you like it or not. Our ability to do that is one of the reasons we've stayed in the Prem for ten years now putting up with Pulis, Sam, and Roy giving us week after week of sometimes dire football because the price was worth paying and first and foremost, we support the Palace no matter what. Everton supporters right now are a self-deluding joke.

Agree with a lot of this but there’s been a problem with recruitment for a long time. Remember when they signed Gylfi Sigurdsson but played three number 10’s? Incidentally, what’s happened to him? He’s disappeared. Perhaps he’s misbehaved behind the scenes and away from football.

They hired Steve Walsh as chief scout or DOF a few years ago. He followed Nigel Pearson everywhere from Newcastle. When Walsh got to Leicester he built the squad that Ranieri inherited to win the title on a very small budget. He also signed all the first crop of Chelsea players for mourinho. But at Everton he made a few bad signings and they sacked him just after not signing a few players he recommended who’ve gone onto become highly sought after expensive players. Get your recruitment and recruiter right and with a good manager you’ll reach your potential within reason of what’s sensibly achievable. You can look at plenty of clubs where it’s still the way to do it. Chucking money around without the right people doing it and you just fall behind those doing it right. All very obvious to some but still others chuck money around.

 


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monkey Flag Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 08 Mar 22 3.14pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Old, stale and needing a lot of work?

Haven't been talking to my wife have you Eagleman?

I have neighbour, she said your dinners in the dog

 

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