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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Feb 22 9.38pm | |
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Hey Lanzo and Sprites, why don't the two of you set up a WhatsApp group dedicated to Benteke Talk so you can argue the toss as much as you like without boring the rest of us?
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TheBigToePunt 27 Feb 22 9.58pm | |
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Benteke has been a poor investment altogether, even accounting for the decent first season he had with us. At his worst he has been the very definition of a waste of money, occupying the very top end of the wage structure and the bottom end of not only the performance table, but also of the effort, commitment and physical courage tables too. Every supporters worst nightmare to see. At the same time, three things make him my first choice centre forward: 1. He seems finally to be in form. He got seven of his ten league goals from this point of last season, and looked good to carry that on this season. We invested so much in him that binning him when he might finally pay a bit of it back makes no sense. 2. Tactically, he offers something unique. With the possible exception of the Dutch striker Burnley just signed, nobody else comes close to Benteke as an areial threat from crosses - I know he misses as many as he scores, but to have a forward who is almost unplayable, albeit within a narrow dimension of the game, isn't something to discard lightly. When Vieiras possession game is working and opposing teams drop off and sit in a compact block to make life hard for Zaha, Olise, Eze etc, the option of just swinging a cross in for benteke becomes the perfect counterpoint. This is exactly what happened at home to Wolves and Newcastle this season. 3. We still haven't got anybody better. Ayew gives us workrate and greater mobility, but no greater number of goals than benteke. Edouard has individual skill but can't lead the line at all, and Mateta is simply second rate. Bentekes faults are plain to see, but the question is not what's wrong with benteke, but rather who do we have that is clearly better. For me, we don't have anyone better.
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dreamwaverider London 27 Feb 22 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by sprites
I’m Eduoard and Benteke we have two stickers who would get 10-15 goals each. We’re just not playing this for some reason! I don’t think Benteke is up there anymore.
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dreamwaverider London 27 Feb 22 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I don’t think Benteke is up there anymore. Not convinced Benteke ever fully overcame his knee injury. He always looks like he is protecting himself from any sort of physicality when he occasionally plays. Maybe mentally he finds it all too much. He’s still a great header of the ball but that is about it and it’s not enough.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 27 Feb 22 10.33pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Hey Lanzo and Sprites, why don't the two of you set up a WhatsApp group dedicated to Benteke Talk so you can argue the toss as much as you like without boring the rest of us? Read my statement
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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bryne and holton 27 Feb 22 10.45pm | |
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Benteke,Mateta, Edourd and Ayew.
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sprites Auckland 27 Feb 22 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Benteke has been a poor investment altogether, even accounting for the decent first season he had with us. At his worst he has been the very definition of a waste of money, occupying the very top end of the wage structure and the bottom end of not only the performance table, but also of the effort, commitment and physical courage tables too. Every supporters worst nightmare to see. At the same time, three things make him my first choice centre forward: 1. He seems finally to be in form. He got seven of his ten league goals from this point of last season, and looked good to carry that on this season. We invested so much in him that binning him when he might finally pay a bit of it back makes no sense. 2. Tactically, he offers something unique. With the possible exception of the Dutch striker Burnley just signed, nobody else comes close to Benteke as an areial threat from crosses - I know he misses as many as he scores, but to have a forward who is almost unplayable, albeit within a narrow dimension of the game, isn't something to discard lightly. When Vieiras possession game is working and opposing teams drop off and sit in a compact block to make life hard for Zaha, Olise, Eze etc, the option of just swinging a cross in for benteke becomes the perfect counterpoint. This is exactly what happened at home to Wolves and Newcastle this season. 3. We still haven't got anybody better. Ayew gives us workrate and greater mobility, but no greater number of goals than benteke. Edouard has individual skill but can't lead the line at all, and Mateta is simply second rate. Bentekes faults are plain to see, but the question is not what's wrong with benteke, but rather who do we have that is clearly better. For me, we don't have anyone better. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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sprites Auckland 27 Feb 22 10.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Read my statement That's a fair comment, doombear. I honestly try and ignore the ridiculous posts about Mateta being the saviour etc...I really do. But I just can't do it. Plus to be fair, this is a thread specifically titled 'centre forwards'. So it's sort of justified debate on this thread. Will try not to overtake other threads from now on.
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viveasheagle perth 28 Feb 22 3.34am | |
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The season before last Ayew scored 10 or so goals and i remember watching a Palace training video with him and Max Myer and his finishing was top draw. I think he is a good finisher but just low on confidence as playing on the right he is not getting many chances and when he has got them of late he has missed them and this is just compounding the issue. Having said that i am not sure he is quite fast enough or physical enough to play the central role. I am happy to carry on with Mateta for now who looks to be improving and at least closes down the centre halves when out of possession giving us a better chance of getting the ball back.
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southnorwoodhill 28 Feb 22 7.55am | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Benteke has been a poor investment altogether, even accounting for the decent first season he had with us. At his worst he has been the very definition of a waste of money, occupying the very top end of the wage structure and the bottom end of not only the performance table, but also of the effort, commitment and physical courage tables too. Every supporters worst nightmare to see. At the same time, three things make him my first choice centre forward: 1. He seems finally to be in form. He got seven of his ten league goals from this point of last season, and looked good to carry that on this season. We invested so much in him that binning him when he might finally pay a bit of it back makes no sense. 2. Tactically, he offers something unique. With the possible exception of the Dutch striker Burnley just signed, nobody else comes close to Benteke as an areial threat from crosses - I know he misses as many as he scores, but to have a forward who is almost unplayable, albeit within a narrow dimension of the game, isn't something to discard lightly. When Vieiras possession game is working and opposing teams drop off and sit in a compact block to make life hard for Zaha, Olise, Eze etc, the option of just swinging a cross in for benteke becomes the perfect counterpoint. This is exactly what happened at home to Wolves and Newcastle this season. 3. We still haven't got anybody better. Ayew gives us workrate and greater mobility, but no greater number of goals than benteke. Edouard has individual skill but can't lead the line at all, and Mateta is simply second rate. Bentekes faults are plain to see, but the question is not what's wrong with benteke, but rather who do we have that is clearly better. For me, we don't have anyone better. Is it April 1st already? The most ridiculous post from an otherwise sensible poster I have seen on these pages. Benteke's record speaks for itself, he's a lazy gravy train riding waste of space. PV has realised it by not selecting him, funny that...
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taylors lovechild 28 Feb 22 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Is it April 1st already? The most ridiculous post from an otherwise sensible poster I have seen on these pages. Benteke's record speaks for itself, he's a lazy gravy train riding waste of space. PV has realised it by not selecting him, funny that... I have to say, I do agree with this. I probably gave more patience than many to Benteke but now it seems like he has completely moved into retirement and I doubt he'll get much more than a cameo in the remaining games as Vieira clearly wants his players to at least break a sweat. Mateta still looks like Bambi on ice but he has clearly taken on board this fact and now runs around and closes players down. I still don't understand why Edouard has had so little game time down the middle though? I know he hasn't exactly torn up trees but he is the only one of the three who seems to have a proper striker's instinct and I really hope he gets a run of games. Sorry to any Ayew fans but I just don't see him as a striker.
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PatrickA London 28 Feb 22 9.06am | |
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There’s not many players that will have universal approval from the fans.
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