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Spiderman Horsham 01 Mar 22 10.17am
Originally posted by Willo My view for what it is worth (Probably not a lot !) is that the VAR has seen contact with the arm but adjudged that the actual position of contact is inconclusive based on 'Sleeve line', 'Bottom of the armpit' etc etc. PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!, Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials
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Spiderman

Horsham 01 Mar 22 10.17am

Originally posted by Willo

My view for what it is worth (Probably not a lot !) is that the VAR has seen contact with the arm but adjudged that the actual position of contact is inconclusive based on 'Sleeve line', 'Bottom of the armpit' etc etc.

PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!,
Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 10.24am
Originally posted by Spiderman PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!, Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 10.24am

Originally posted by Spiderman

PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!,
Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials

Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Mar 22 11.14am
Originally posted by Willo Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity. Well imo, that var decision and those at Palace were gross incompetence. We will never agree on this I suspect
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Spiderman

Horsham 01 Mar 22 11.14am

Originally posted by Willo

Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.

Well imo, that var decision and those at Palace were gross incompetence. We will never agree on this I suspect

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Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 22 12.18pm
Originally posted by Willo Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity. Mistakes aren’t the issue though - refs are only human so some errors are inevitable; particularly when players are so adept at conning them, but VAR was brought in to stop these sorts of thing happening and it hasn’t been very successful. Or if it has the error rate before it’s introduction must’ve been very high indeed.
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Teddy Eagle

01 Mar 22 12.18pm

Originally posted by Willo

Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.

Mistakes aren’t the issue though - refs are only human so some errors are inevitable; particularly when players are so adept at conning them, but VAR was brought in to stop these sorts of thing happening and it hasn’t been very successful. Or if it has the error rate before it’s introduction must’ve been very high indeed.

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The Dolphin 01 Mar 22 1.49pm
Originally posted by Willo Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity. Willo - the VAR referee should not make these mistakes - he has every view on a screen in front of him. For Everton it was obvious beyond belief and in our game versus Liverpool if he saw what the rest of the world saw then how was it a penalty. It is corrupt in the var office - it must be because no one can be that blind or incompetent - they are downright cheats!
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The Dolphin

01 Mar 22 1.49pm

Originally posted by Willo

Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.

Willo - the VAR referee should not make these mistakes - he has every view on a screen in front of him.
For Everton it was obvious beyond belief and in our game versus Liverpool if he saw what the rest of the world saw then how was it a penalty.
It is corrupt in the var office - it must be because no one can be that blind or incompetent - they are downright cheats!

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 01 Mar 22 1.52pm
Originally posted by Spiderman PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!, Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials Nope - Chris Kavanagh (the VAR official) is due to ref the Burnley v Leicester game tonight. Edited by Charlie Croker (01 Mar 2022 1.52pm) “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Hampshire 01 Mar 22 1.52pm

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Originally posted by Spiderman

PGMOL have apologised to Everton for decisions made! Presumably Palace’s apology is in the post!,
Will the Officials from Saturday be demoted? Maybe for 1 game, the game is being ruined by incompetent officials

Nope - Chris Kavanagh (the VAR official) is due to ref the Burnley v Leicester game tonight.

Edited by Charlie Croker (01 Mar 2022 1.52pm)

“My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 01 Mar 22 1.58pm
Originally posted by Willo Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity. The on-field mistakes are not the point, as others have said. VAR is supposed to help the on-field officials in rectifying their mistakes or, at the very least, it's supposed to give them the ability to watch it again. Which, in this case if he'd been asked to would have almost certainly have led to overturning the original decision. “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Charlie Croker

Hampshire 01 Mar 22 1.58pm

Originally posted by Willo

Officials being human will err from time to time, but I do not accept that there is gross incompetence on display apropos the refereeing fraternity.

The on-field mistakes are not the point, as others have said. VAR is supposed to help the on-field officials in rectifying their mistakes or, at the very least, it's supposed to give them the ability to watch it again. Which, in this case if he'd been asked to would have almost certainly have led to overturning the original decision.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Mar 22 2.07pm
Here are the appointments for 5th round . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Mar 22 2.07pm

Here are the appointments for 5th round . . . [Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 2.15pm
Originally posted by Charlie Croker The on-field mistakes are not the point, as others have said. VAR is supposed to help the on-field officials in rectifying their mistakes or, at the very least, it's supposed to give them the ability to watch it again. Which, in this case if he'd been asked to would have almost certainly have led to overturning the original decision. The on-field referee has not awarded a penalty the VAR has deemed that the evidence was inconclusive accordingly the mechanism for asking the referee to consult the monitor was not activated.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 2.15pm

Originally posted by Charlie Croker

The on-field mistakes are not the point, as others have said. VAR is supposed to help the on-field officials in rectifying their mistakes or, at the very least, it's supposed to give them the ability to watch it again. Which, in this case if he'd been asked to would have almost certainly have led to overturning the original decision.

The on-field referee has not awarded a penalty the VAR has deemed that the evidence was inconclusive accordingly the mechanism for asking the referee to consult the monitor was not activated.

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Mar 22 2.59pm
Originally posted by Willo The on-field referee has not awarded a penalty the VAR has deemed that the evidence was inconclusive accordingly the mechanism for asking the referee to consult the monitor was not activated. Inconclusive only in the mind of the VAR. It should not be a subjective decision, the very least the ref should have been referred to the screen. Obviously PGMOL think it was a wrong decision. IMO the VAR officials should be independent from the referees “boys club”. Should be ex-players who have some idea of whether someone has actually been fouled or is trying to con the ref Edited by Spiderman (01 Mar 2022 3.07pm)
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Spiderman

Horsham 01 Mar 22 2.59pm

Originally posted by Willo

The on-field referee has not awarded a penalty the VAR has deemed that the evidence was inconclusive accordingly the mechanism for asking the referee to consult the monitor was not activated.

Inconclusive only in the mind of the VAR. It should not be a subjective decision, the very least the ref should have been referred to the screen. Obviously PGMOL think it was a wrong decision.
IMO the VAR officials should be independent from the referees “boys club”. Should be ex-players who have some idea of whether someone has actually been fouled or is trying to con the ref

Edited by Spiderman (01 Mar 2022 3.07pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 3.10pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Inconclusive only in the mind of the VAR. It should not be a subjective decision, the very least the ref should have been referred to the screen. Obviously PGMOL think it was a wrong decision. The VAR clearly decided that having looked at the images,as far as he was concerned it was inconclusive as to whether the contact with the ball was made in an area which constitutes 'Handball'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 22 3.10pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Inconclusive only in the mind of the VAR. It should not be a subjective decision, the very least the ref should have been referred to the screen. Obviously PGMOL think it was a wrong decision.

The VAR clearly decided that having looked at the images,as far as he was concerned it was inconclusive as to whether the contact with the ball was made in an area which constitutes 'Handball'.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Mar 22 3.28pm
Originally posted by Willo The VAR clearly decided that having looked at the images,as far as he was concerned it was inconclusive as to whether the contact with the ball was made in an area which constitutes 'Handball'. With all due respect Willo, unless there is ambiguity as to what is categorised as an arm, VAR has the capability to review the instance from various camera angles, in slow motion, and decide whether it hit a f***ing arm or not. The only two explanations are either corruption or gross incompetency. Given the CK is now in charge of the Burnley game I have to assume it's the former. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Mar 22 3.28pm

Originally posted by Willo

The VAR clearly decided that having looked at the images,as far as he was concerned it was inconclusive as to whether the contact with the ball was made in an area which constitutes 'Handball'.

With all due respect Willo, unless there is ambiguity as to what is categorised as an arm, VAR has the capability to review the instance from various camera angles, in slow motion, and decide whether it hit a f***ing arm or not.

The only two explanations are either corruption or gross incompetency. Given the CK is now in charge of the Burnley game I have to assume it's the former.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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