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becky over the moon 08 Feb 22 8.50am
Originally posted by cryrst But how do they recycle them and at what cost. Just where does the boron come from for batteries. I saw it came from scraping the sea floor bare but I could be mistaken. Where does the lithium come from? Either deep,massive, open cast mines (S America) which scar the land and spoil it for ever or Africa, where it is a prime source of child labour - where even 4 year olds are put to work. [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 08 Feb 22 8.50am

Originally posted by cryrst

But how do they recycle them and at what cost.
Just where does the boron come from for batteries.
I saw it came from scraping the sea floor bare but I could be mistaken.
Where does the lithium come from?

Either deep,massive, open cast mines (S America) which scar the land and spoil it for ever or Africa, where it is a prime source of child labour - where even 4 year olds are put to work.

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Ian-VI Vicenza 08 Feb 22 9.14am
Originally posted by YT As an aside.... I remember discussions a few years ago about the need to give an EV an artificial engine noise in order to alert pedestrians and cyclists to their approach. As someone who lives on a main road, I was gutted at the prospect of a potential peaceful future being dashed. But, as far as I'm aware, EVs are in fact pretty quiet, so I assume the artificial noise thing never came to pass. With ECE regulation 138, approved with EU regulation 1576 the artificial sound has been compulsory since July 1st 2021. Indeed my new car registered at the end of July has that artificial sound and it cannot be deactivated. The best footie management game: [Link]
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Vicenza 08 Feb 22 9.14am

Originally posted by YT

As an aside....

I remember discussions a few years ago about the need to give an EV an artificial engine noise in order to alert pedestrians and cyclists to their approach. As someone who lives on a main road, I was gutted at the prospect of a potential peaceful future being dashed.

But, as far as I'm aware, EVs are in fact pretty quiet, so I assume the artificial noise thing never came to pass.

With ECE regulation 138, approved with EU regulation 1576 the artificial sound has been compulsory since July 1st 2021.
Indeed my new car registered at the end of July has that artificial sound and it cannot be deactivated.

The best footie management game: [Link]

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CrazyBadger Ware 08 Feb 22 9.37am
The problem I have with Electric Vehicles, is they are bandied about as the saviour Of the planet, but they Are not worth the hassle. The Range issues and recharging times are still a major issue, and are far from practical for all people. The environment argument is only applicable when this country is run on renewable energy, or else the electricity is created by burning fossil fuels/nuclear power, which Are hardly good for the enironment. Then there's the batteries - the production issues were touched on by somewhere else, but what then happens to all the dead/outdated batteries that need disposing of? Is there a plan, can they even be recycled, or are tey just going to go into one big Acidic dump somewhere? I just can't see the benefit of owning one. Hybrid maybe, so you generate your own power, and use minimal fuel, that kinda makes sense. but I'll stick to petrol/diesel until I'm forced out of it. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 08 Feb 22 9.37am

The problem I have with Electric Vehicles, is they are bandied about as the saviour Of the planet, but they Are not worth the hassle.

The Range issues and recharging times are still a major issue, and are far from practical for all people.

The environment argument is only applicable when this country is run on renewable energy, or else the electricity is created by burning fossil fuels/nuclear power, which Are hardly good for the enironment.

Then there's the batteries - the production issues were touched on by somewhere else, but what then happens to all the dead/outdated batteries that need disposing of? Is there a plan, can they even be recycled, or are tey just going to go into one big Acidic dump somewhere?

I just can't see the benefit of owning one. Hybrid maybe, so you generate your own power, and use minimal fuel, that kinda makes sense. but I'll stick to petrol/diesel until I'm forced out of it.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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The Dolphin 08 Feb 22 11.33am
There is no doubt in my mind that this is more scam than neccessity. Will it help - yes - in the long term and it is the long term that matters. It won't help enough though and until the major players - China, India etc - do their bit properly there is little point. This is just going to improve car manufacturers profits and for everyone who thinks they will be cheap to run - think again - the Government has to replace all that VAT etc with something so the tax on your EV will be massive. I will be gone by the time it all kicks off and will enjoy my gas guzzlers in the ineterime
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08 Feb 22 11.33am

There is no doubt in my mind that this is more scam than neccessity.
Will it help - yes - in the long term and it is the long term that matters.
It won't help enough though and until the major players - China, India etc - do their bit properly there is little point.
This is just going to improve car manufacturers profits and for everyone who thinks they will be cheap to run - think again - the Government has to replace all that VAT etc with something so the tax on your EV will be massive.
I will be gone by the time it all kicks off and will enjoy my gas guzzlers in the ineterime

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cryrst The garden of England 08 Feb 22 10.04pm
Originally posted by becky Either deep,massive, open cast mines (S America) which scar the land and spoil it for ever or Africa, where it is a prime source of child labour - where even 4 year olds are put to work. [Link] Haven't seen anyone in the media reporting this. Wonder why ?
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The garden of England 08 Feb 22 10.04pm

Originally posted by becky

Either deep,massive, open cast mines (S America) which scar the land and spoil it for ever or Africa, where it is a prime source of child labour - where even 4 year olds are put to work.

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Haven't seen anyone in the media reporting this.
Wonder why ?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Mar 22 11.47am
Even Her Maj' is getting on-board the electric craze. [Link] "THE Queen has taken delivery of a £62,000 golf buggy to help her get around. The gizmo-packed four-seater comes with all-weather covers, fridge and infotainment screen." (The Sun) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Even Her Maj' is getting on-board the electric craze.

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"THE Queen has taken delivery of a £62,000 golf buggy to help her get around.

The gizmo-packed four-seater comes with all-weather covers, fridge and infotainment screen." (The Sun)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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