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BlueJay UK 13 Jan 22 12.06am | |
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Originally posted by CPFC1965
The most likely source for all these shenanigans is Cummings. Boris may appear to be a buffoon, but you don't get to achieve what he has done, in political life, by being stupid. Can you possibly imagine the dirt he has on others within his party and I guess that is why his cabinet are circling the wagons. Labour have finally got him on the ropes and I am expecting that they call for a series of public inquiries, chaired by retired Labour mp's to investigate. I hope he calls a snap General Election. If the Conservatives lose he skips into private life with the prospect of millions at his finger tips, from writing his memoirs etc and if they win, well adieu to the Labour party. Win win for Boris, lose lose for conservatives and labour. Most definitely. I expect he has plenty more tricks up his sleeve too. A wrecking ball, but far more politically astute, aware and knowledgeable than most of those he propped up, which is why I assume he's decided to bring down the house of cards.
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dreamwaverider London 13 Jan 22 1.25am | |
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Cummings is a nasty piece of work and well rid of. Boris is an academic who is showing his inability to lead. With a combined force of Brexit and covid the change and turbulence is ploughing a deep furrow through our daily comforts. Outing Boris as leader is not a solution to our woes as there is no true leader in any party. Therein lies the far bigger issue. Who on earth could we find to give us a major shake then start to re align us. The answer has to be a complete re set.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 13 Jan 22 6.45am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Cannot see him surviving this. I thought they might give him a chance to turn it around for the May local elections but clearly, there is now a concerted effort to get rid of him within a matter of a couple of weeks. If this story is true then there are ZERO excuses for it and the hubris behind even the notion of trying to get away with it is beyond any kind of rational comprehension. Throw in the fact that Gove was all over the television yesterday and is now leading this charge on the cladding issue, tells me that he is the one behind it all and that a decision has been taken that Johnson's time is up. i think you are far more politically perceptive than me. I thought Boris would ride it out, like he always does. There seems no way back at this point. The longer he delays getting out, the more he risks more information/photos coming to light and getting worse. He, and his Government, committed a criminal offence(s)during lockdown. And that booze no doubt, went on expenses. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jan 2022 6.56am)
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georgenorman 13 Jan 22 7.04am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not a Christian, but we all live in a country in which our morality has been established by Christian values. Christians are commanded not to kill. To do so is morally indefensible in any circumstances. So you adhere to some rule of a belief that you don't believe in? So you would have not fought in World War II?
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The Dolphin 13 Jan 22 7.14am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
i think you are far more politically perceptive than me. I thought Boris would ride it out, like he always does. There seems no way back at this point. The longer he delays getting out, the more he risks more information/photos coming to light and getting worse. He, and his Government, committed a criminal offence(s)during lockdown. And that booze no doubt, went on expenses. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jan 2022 6.56am) I It could be a Gove/Cummings combo doing this - Gove knifed him once before!
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 13 Jan 22 7.52am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I It could be a Gove/Cummings combo doing this - Gove knifed him once before! it doesn't really matter the source of further information at this point. BJ was piloting this Government. He told the commons only a couple of weeks ago he was going to have stern words with any officials found to have been partying. Then he appointed one of the party-goers to investigate !! transpires BJ was was there hosting a criminal gathering.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 22 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So you adhere to some rule of a belief that you don't believe in? So you would have not fought in World War II? I have studied the origins of Christianity and whilst I don't believe it tells a factual story it's undeniably true that it's moral compass is what has guided our development as a nation. Not being a believer allows for some wriggle room. So I would have fought in WW2. If you and yours are under threat then you defend yourself. What I would not have done is support judicial killing, even for war crimes. In the heat of battle, when it's kill or be killed, is different.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jan 22 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You portray the UK being in the eu since its inception as a country. We were in for 40 odd years the UK is 1000s of years old. A change is as good as a rest and we are resting from all the red tape. I don't know why you reach this conclusion. Nothing I said suggests it, and I am very aware of our history. We are less taking a "rest" than standing still whilst the world moves past us. Complaints about "red tape" are as old as time. As soon as you coordinate any action you get regulation. Regulation needs to be organised and transparent. Keeping it simple is everyone's desire but a huge challenge. Leaving the EU won't free us from "red tape". It will entangle us more. We will still be bound by EU regulations with every trade we do with an EU member but have other strands to contend with as we deviate. It's another populist claim that doesn't stand up to a moment's reality.
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jan 22 10.11am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know why you reach this conclusion. Nothing I said suggests it, and I am very aware of our history. We are less taking a "rest" than standing still whilst the world moves past us. Complaints about "red tape" are as old as time. As soon as you coordinate any action you get regulation. Regulation needs to be organised and transparent. Keeping it simple is everyone's desire but a huge challenge. Leaving the EU won't free us from "red tape". It will entangle us more. We will still be bound by EU regulations with every trade we do with an EU member but have other strands to contend with as we deviate. It's another populist claim that doesn't stand up to a moment's reality. Not true. Because of its size changing rules in the EU is quite a long drawn out affair as all members have to be consulted and may have conflicting interests. How our government changes its rules is solely up to them and will depend on the type of government we have. Exporting to the EU we have to abide by their rules it is no different to exporting to any other country in the world. If the EU wishes to continue to be belligerent in trying to punish us with ridiculous export rules the same applies to them. Exports and imports to the rest of the world have gone up significantly since Brexit the EU are only harming themselves. The ability for government to adapt business regulations to fast changing circumstances is a competitive edge whether the current government is up to that challenge is another matter, the point is we have the ability.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Jan 22 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
And all not only preventable but proof of a moronic hubris that beggars belief. He has to go after this. I confess that when these stories started, I just dismissed them and assumed that Johnson would ride it out, just like he always has. But now...he has to go because he is clearly as thick as s***. Anybody who thought this kind of event was A: A good idea and B: Would not be exposed is simply not fit to run a bath, let alone a country. Why on earth would anybody have even considered such a crass and offensive act when people could not say goodbye to loved ones on their death beds, nor attend funerals, were canceling weddings and prevented from seeing their friends? And yet they all decide to enjoy some drinks and nibbles with each other? It was a staggeringly stupid decision. This goes beyond party politics, it really does. Fair play - I completely agree it's beyond party politics.
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Badadmcmad Leeds 13 Jan 22 10.45am | |
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Somewhat true, mostly not true. On balance your argument is spurious. There is objectively more red tape with respect to trade and travel with the EU. This was not as advertised. To say we’ve done away with red tape wrt rule making as part of the EU is disingenuous because we’re no longer in the EU and no longer hold any power to change or decide on rules. Yes there’s less red tape but only because we’re no longer able to participate. That is not the same thing as reducing red tape from an efficiency point of view. So now if we wish to influence interactions between ourselves and the EU approaching the way we used to be able to, it has to be done via the mechanism of a trade deal. An onerous process full of red tape which, after being billed as the easiest trade deal in history has resulted in two internal U.K. borders and continues to be a problem with the NI protocol. All continuing negotiations are red tape. As the government said at the time, the U.K. Parliament has always been sovereign. Also, Parliament and the lords and the queen decide the rules. It happens to be the case that the majority the tories have is significant enough to be able to pass almost anything - albeit the lords do have their amendments they can suggest. Originally posted by Badger11
Not true. Because of its size changing rules in the EU is quite a long drawn out affair as all members have to be consulted and may have conflicting interests. How our government changes its rules is solely up to them and will depend on the type of government we have. Exporting to the EU we have to abide by their rules it is no different to exporting to any other country in the world. If the EU wishes to continue to be belligerent in trying to punish us with ridiculous export rules the same applies to them. Exports and imports to the rest of the world have gone up significantly since Brexit the EU are only harming themselves. The ability for government to adapt business regulations to fast changing circumstances is a competitive edge whether the current government is up to that challenge is another matter, the point is we have the ability.
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jan 22 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Badadmcmad
Somewhat true, mostly not true. On balance your argument is spurious. There is objectively more red tape with respect to trade and travel with the EU. This was not as advertised. Companies that didn't even export anywhere had to obey EU rules that is no longer true whether the government now abolishes those rules is the point. So far the government has done very little To say we’ve done away with red tape wrt rule making as part of the EU is disingenuous because we’re no longer in the EU and no longer hold any power to change or decide on rules. Yes there’s less red tape but only because we’re no longer able to participate. Yes because the EU is playing hardball however i expect a deal will be done as it is in everyone's interest espcially Ireland. That is not the same thing as reducing red tape from an efficiency point of view. So now if we wish to influence interactions between ourselves and the EU approaching the way we used to be able to, it has to be done via the mechanism of a trade deal. An onerous process full of red tape which, after being billed as the easiest trade deal in history has resulted in two internal U.K. borders and continues to be a problem with the NI protocol. All continuing negotiations are red tape. Red tape is not solely about import / export to the EU but I agree the NI protocol is a problem that needs to be resolved. As the government said at the time, the U.K. Parliament has always been sovereign. Also, Parliament and the lords and the queen decide the rules. It happens to be the case that the majority the tories have is significant enough to be able to pass almost anything - albeit the lords do have their amendments they can suggest. Agreed, like I said it is up to the government of the day so far Boris has done very little to cut red tape which is disappointing but he can no longer blame the EU for that.
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