But the Taleban don't want any modernisation. That is the entire point of them. They want to live in the original way that their Prophet did.

Now I agree with your assessment about the Chinese benefiting from this but the idea that they are going to sweep in and bring all the wonders of the modern world to the region is utter nonsense.

The Chinese will use the Taleban to stir the pot. To use them to fight the West for them, by proxy. And probably do so are an arms length, given their own potential Muslim problem with segments of their society.

The Taleban will take the money for weapons and so but will hold the Chinese in utter contempt. They will resist ANY kind of assistance beyond that. The Chinese are not even 'people' of the book. At best, some kind of Buddhists (and we know how much the Taleban love those), at worst atheists who are lower than the tits on a snake by way of Taleban thinking.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

There is no plan. The absolute f***upery of this cannot be underestimated. Biden is on record as saying there is no way the Taleban can win. Had been assured. Johnson saying there was no military path available for the Taleban.

I suspect there has been utter panic going on in deep, dark, well-appointed control centres. People tearing their hair out because 'experts' had assured them this could not be happening.

We have a Governing elite more worried about how to implement the latest Trans BS than an actual day to day operational ability. A structure that promotes not based on a persons capability but rather that they have fully embraced notions such as 'diversity is our strength'. LOL. The Taleban have finally kicked that lunacy into touch.

As things stand, the West is utterly f***ed. People need to face up to this. Outside of places like Russian, Poland and Hungary, who else is standing up to this current woke BS? Nobody.

Go East young man. That is where your Grandkids might find sanctuary. But the West...suspect its game over within 100 years. Might even be sooner.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Reports are that the ANA morale is non existent and they are mostly taking off uniforms. According to Richard Dannatt when there was support from a small number of Western troops and air cover they fought and pinned the Taliban in their enclaves. Now they just feel abandoned

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Yes the operation with the Afghan army, which is about a tenth in size of what we are told, is a combination of air supporting their combat troops.

When the US and UK withdrew its air support, the Afghans could not have been effective.

For Biden to accuse them of not fighting, well he made sure they couldn't.

The reason we are where we are, defeated, is the behaviour of the USA President Biden and his predecessor, and of the flawed american system of investing unlimited power in one individual.

There was never any need for withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Only a short while ago the taliban were confined to rural areas in the south, the country was stable and peaceful with the occasional outrage you get anywhere, including here.

The lot of women and society was enhanced, no acts of terrorism since 2001 from Afghan soil.

Now we can only guess.

Biden and Trump saw 'saving americans tax dollars' and headline-grabbing 'bringing the boys back home', well they won't be getting either.

The did not consider the welfare of the people of Afghanistan at all.

I feel revolted by them.

I have some sympathy with your view.

I'd agree that this has been American policy and that it isn't a Biden/Trump thing but a US foreign policy and even western standard that's repeated several times in history now.

I didn't agree that we should have tried to remake the country....this wasn't south east Asia, with intelligent source material like Japan and South Korea....some identikit thinking has been done on very different cultures.

But once that mad decision had been made I certainly agree that the leaders that pursued these policies have the responsibility of their outcomes.

However, the economic load of that decision and the deaths that were required to flatten revolts mean that democracies are never going to pay that price.

But incompetent elites make these decisions, their institutions implement them and little people have to suffer.

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