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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Clearly it is like that, as you described ordering the beheading of someone and then preaching a sermon with the head on a pole, as "cherry-picked only those little pieces". The tendency of the left to make excuses for various racists and murderers because it suits their agendas has been around for many years. Read my reply to Teddy. I am not making any excuses for anyone. You are jumping to conclusions and ignoring many other reported aspects of this guy's life. Hence, the cherry-picking. Additionally, I am NOT "of the left" in any way. I just put things in their rightful context.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is that we don't actually know that much about him do we? We have a Wiki report. Not exactly a Court of Law. We don't know if he was a murderer at all. It's reported he led an uprising and spoke with a decapitated head beside him, during a time of violence and oppression. Brady was tried and convicted of several murders. So no comparison. Yet. The very fact that this man's history is now being evaluated is healthy. Maybe he will eventually be cast in the same category as Brady, but I think that's unlikely. Whether he deserves a place on the plinth is another matter, and I have already said it seems a strange decision to me. In other news, s*** is sugar and black is white... According to Wisbech.
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georgenorman 12 Jul 21 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Read my reply to Teddy. I am not making any excuses for anyone. You are jumping to conclusions and ignoring many other reported aspects of this guy's life. Hence, the cherry-picking. Additionally, I am NOT "of the left" in any way. I just put things in their rightful context. How remiss of me to 'jump to conclusions' about someone who ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity and thought it appropriate to conduct a religious service with a murdered man's head on a pole beside him.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Jul 21 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
someone who ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity
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georgenorman 12 Jul 21 3.56pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Robert Mugabe ? a nice new statue at East Croydon station ? Yes, Steeleye could unveil it, he was a big fan of Bob.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jul 21 6.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is that we don't actually know that much about him do we? We have a Wiki report. Not exactly a Court of Law. We don't know if he was a murderer at all. It's reported he led an uprising and spoke with a decapitated head beside him, during a time of violence and oppression. Brady was tried and convicted of several murders. So no comparison. Yet. The very fact that this man's history is now being evaluated is healthy. Maybe he will eventually be cast in the same category as Brady, but I think that's unlikely. Whether he deserves a place on the plinth is another matter, and I have already said it seems a strange decision to me. There are plenty of PhDs on it. Many freely available on line. Also the court transcripts are published. Thirty were executed for their part in this rebellion. It led to England re-evaluating its treatment of 'the natives'.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 6.32pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
How remiss of me to 'jump to conclusions' about someone who ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity and thought it appropriate to conduct a religious service with a murdered man's head on a pole beside him. You are making evidence free assertions, hence the completely valid accusations of jumping to conclusions. You have no more idea than anyone else what actually happened and why. I have no doubt at all that the contemporary reports published in England would have reflected the biases of the day, and that's primarily all that's available. That he fought against his people being oppressed seems to be established, but not that he "ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity". There was an uprising against those in control, who were armed and, allegedly, frequently killed to maintain order. I doubt whether their ethnicity played a role. Truth has nothing at all to do with left or right.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jul 21 6.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are making evidence free assertions, hence the completely valid accusations of jumping to conclusions. You have no more idea than anyone else what actually happened and why. I have no doubt at all that the contemporary reports published in England would have reflected the biases of the day, and that's primarily all that's available. That he fought against his people being oppressed seems to be established, but not that he "ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity". There was an uprising against those in control, who were armed and, allegedly, frequently killed to maintain order. I doubt whether their ethnicity played a role. Truth has nothing at all to do with left or right. Pot Kettle. Black From the person who constantly gets called out for dishing out opinion as fact. Love it. Glad you have finally got the message
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 6.43pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
There are plenty of PhDs on it. Many freely available on line. Also the court transcripts are published. Thirty were executed for their part in this rebellion. It led to England re-evaluating its treatment of 'the natives'. That's interesting. They would have been locally constituted Courts applying the law from a very particular perspective. Which is why context matters. I can see why a comparison with the Easter Rising could be made. Those involved in that have been seen very differently on each side of the Irish Sea, but as time passes the events can be evaluated more objectively. Which is what this debate ought to enable as well. Maybe though that's too much to expect here.
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georgenorman 12 Jul 21 6.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are making evidence free assertions, hence the completely valid accusations of jumping to conclusions. You have no more idea than anyone else what actually happened and why. I have no doubt at all that the contemporary reports published in England would have reflected the biases of the day, and that's primarily all that's available. That he fought against his people being oppressed seems to be established, but not that he "ordered the killing of people based on their ethnicity". There was an uprising against those in control, who were armed and, allegedly, frequently killed to maintain order. I doubt whether their ethnicity played a role. Truth has nothing at all to do with left or right. We have a very clear idea of what happened from contemporary reports. The terrorist, racist, incitor of murder, ordered that ‘European men’ (ie: white) should be killed and that, specifically, William Livingstone should be beheaded and his head brought to him. Do you accept that he preached in his church with Livingstone’s head on a pole beside him, or perhaps you think he was short-sighted and thought it was a flower arrangement put there by the local women’s institute? Edited by georgenorman (12 Jul 2021 7.03pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Pot Kettle. Black From the person who constantly gets called out for dishing out opinion as fact. Love it. Glad you have finally got the message Being "called out" doesn't make the criticism valid. I recognise the difference between when I offer an opinion or state a fact. Most are opinion. Forcibly expressed perhaps, but still opinion. Facts are a rarity, but do exist. If you get confused, that's not my problem.
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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jul 21 6.50pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
We have a very clear idea of what happened from contemporary reports. The terrorist, racist, incitor of murder, ordered that ‘European men’ (ie: white) should be killed and that, specifically, William Livingstone should be beheaded and his head brought to him. Do you accept that he preached in his church with Livingstone’s head on a pole beside him, or perhaps you think he was shot-sighted and thought it was a flower arrangement put there by the local women’s institute? Well that can only be an eye-witness account. You must have been there.......
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