If you look at it from the Jewish state perspective they really have no choice but to push out the Palestinians and have a fully secured landmass with no fifth column infiltration. They can then work on their neighbours, using money and supporting their own repressive regimes to normalise relations. With the big brother support of America to back them up this has already been shown to be effective.

This is a far more realistic path towards success than any two state solution. They have learnt from history and implement this inch by inch, using the 'boiled frog' metaphor. Anyone looking at the demographic map of the region since 47 can see that.

It's naive to think that a two state solution is in the interest of Israel or that it would work out well for them.

What happened in 47 and the forced evacuations and death and the wars and treatment since aren't going to be forgotten.....They would have a permanent enemy at their gates. And the weakness shown would embolden their neighbours.

Now, I won't call any of this justice. I would agree with you that it is the very opposite.

But this is real life, where the concepts you believe in come up against reality and the outcome is always the same.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2021 12.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's red meat to their base.

Easy meaningless window dressing for political point scoring as they know the government don't want to annoy Israel because that means annoying Biden....their muppet.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My own observations from media seems to be that civilians, predominantly women and children, are either being killed/injured/having their homes destroyed, as a state seeks to land-grab.

When some Austrian bloke with a funny moustache did something like that in the late 1930's, he seemed to upset quite a lot of people.

I think any criticism of Israel will immediately see the anti-semetic card played. Meanwhile, the violence escalates towards a kind of genocide of people and territory.,....and the world just watches (or in the case of the USA, provides the military hardware and funding)

I disengage, I turn the page.

The Palestinians are Arabs and the Arabs are semites.

So you could accuse the Jewish state of having their own form of anti semitism.

But I'm being glib.

There will be no genocide, but it is certainly a form of slow ethnic cleansing: I say what I see.

Though the left have no issues with that in Europe do they.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This clearly isn't the full picture though. If someone takes your home from you and you defend yourself are you 'attacking them'. Clearly HAMAS are no shining example, but they are 'useful' for Israel since they're clearly looking to gradually extent their land grab. It's inevitable that there would be a response to that.

Besides, Netanyahu is losing power and facing corruption charges. There's nothing like a little warmongering to act as distraction and to consolidate power. Unfortunately it will likely achieve just that.

Edited by BlueJay (16 May 2021 3.42am)

Unfortunately over the decades it's hard to deny that it's been a successful strategy for them.