Would have to be a pretty big animal to last you the whole year

Open peer is one thing, but they published on their own website opjr.com (standing for open peer journal review, a name it could be suggested is designed to pull the wool over people's eyes, since no one else usesd that website but them)

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one - my view of the Connollys is a music teacher and her family that used to look at climate data in their spare time, your opinion seems to be that they are the most intelligent and insightful group of climate scientists on the planet.

Re veganism, you brought that up not me. I'm not a vegan and never could be, its way too difficult and I understand why people would quit especially if they are doing it wrong and not getting the proper nutrition. But like you I can easily find individual examples of some things some vegans do (like flying strawberries around the world) that aren't good for the environment, and so on. I can't find anyone taking all of the individual arguments you have made and coming to the conclusion that veganism is worse than meat eating for health,animals and the environment like you seem to be suggesting, so I put it to you that you are wrong on that one.

Plus you are conflagrating two arguments - eating locally sourced food vs imported food is not the same discussion as eating meat vs being a vegan.

I wish you would include some links in your arguments, it would be interesting to see where some of this data comes from as I've not been able to verify it (85% of vegans quit due to ill health? Are they living off crisps and diet coke lol? If managed properly there is definitley enough nutrients available in a plant based diet to live to a ripe old age - pun intended)

Respectfully Mr. Mort, you can't just publish anywhere you like and call it "open peer". If I published a scientific paper here on HOL I'd be more than surprised to get it peer reviewed, roadsweeper or not. Although I'm sure you'd give me some feedback I've said all I'm going to say about the Connollys, I've made it clear that I don't think they are the best source when it comes to climate science and I've explained why I think that.

I don't think you read my previous post before where you accuse me of being in a bubble. I neither agreed nor disagreed with you about crop deaths (yet - but I mention them again later in this gripping post). I said that I can't find anyone using the examples you have used and coming to the same conclusion as you i.e. that veganism is worse for the environment, worse for human health and worse for animals than a meat based diet. You've also conflagrated - again - imported food vs locally grown food as part of the vegan vs meat diet discussion. About 150,000 tonnes of soy is imported each year to feed british cattle (mostly from the americas where virgin forests are slashed and burned to create new farmland) let alone the imported meat products themselves. It's a totally separate conversation that applies to both sides of the aisle.
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I like the second link best because it includes links to their own sources so you can investigate further, if you like doing that as much as I do (hence my extensive reading of the Connoly's work).

Unlike speronilover968=d~~, I agree with you that a cow would possibly last a single person a year, by my calculations you'd probably get about 1kg of meat a day. But to avoid feeling hungry, getting scurvy and some serious constipation you'd need to top that up with some plant based food for yourself as well - you would also need to find about 55kg of food per day to feed the cow. For this reason, your argument of crop deaths and top soil erosion being caused by veganism is a complete red herring as the meat industry is a massive consumer of world crops. In fact it has been suggested that a conversion to veganism could actually decrease the amount of crop farming needed.
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My final word on the meat industry especially beef and dairy (whether you reply or not I'm done on this one, as should everyone! But there you go) - it is bad for the environment. Totally bad! I've supplied links to left wing, right wing and impartial reports linked to published studies to demonstrate. But it will be very easy to find thousands of other reports linking to hundreds (if not more) of other verifiable published studies that come to the same conclusion. I just want to repeat that I am not a vegan in case you wanted to try to push that "tree hugging hippy" cr@p on me. I just love the science, man.

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My apologies grumpymort, it appears I have overestimated you.

You still havent even read my replies I've not denied crop death at all! I think you are just skim reading and arguing rather than trying to have a discussion. I've disproved several of your arguments (because you havent come back at me - that's how it works, right?) and you keep replying with the same red herring and straw man arguments.

Feel free to reply one last time, I'll let you have the last word on this one, anything else will just be wasting my time!