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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Nov 20 9.44pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia. No one is making out Croydon is the safest place on earth, but your assessment is somewhat hyperbolic. Also - I think really you mean getting out of London generally - the stats you’ve shared are nowhere near the highest, South Kensington had more in total this month. London in general is a hive of gangs and crime. Croydon is the largest borough by population, with some of the poorest residents. The crime figures are always going to be above average with that demographic, however the picture you paint does not apply to the average resident. I live 10 minutes from the station, just off what you could describe as one of the less aesthetically pleasing areas but I’ve never had any issues. I’ve had more problems living in the shires than I have had here. Plenty of wronguns in both locations. Difference is here they usually target each other. Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm) Ah go after the employment history of a hard working immigrant & were not discussing SW7 are we. There was 1136 crimes reported in Croydon (within 1 mile of my old address) for just last month this is appalling. Do we not count as your average Croydon residents? I guess some are more average than others. I have had a knife pulled on me twice, once because I glanced briefly at some bellend's missus & secondly just a gang of feral youths as I was walking past them pulled a knife out quite obviously to intimidate me as I walked past. My mums house (again West Croydon) had the door kicked in whilst a gang of black men helped themselves to whatever they wanted, one held a machete to my mums throat damn near severing her thumb, my brother at the time was also living there he was also robbed, in a sweet twist of fate about a year ago a man got murdered in Croydon it turned out the one that got murdered is the one that held a machete to my mums throat. My Nephew a resident of West Croydon had a gun pulled on him in old town and was forced to hand over his wallet. You should take a walk down the alleyway system from Waddon Marsh tram stop to the housing estate it connects to, its an eye opener as to the amount of fly tipping and dumping of s* that goes on there, the council would come along scoop up the mattresses and old sofa's once a month and its usually hours before it starts to fill up with peoples s* again, the biggest irony is the dump site that is literally a 5 minute walk away. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Nov 20 9.44pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia.

No one is making out Croydon is the safest place on earth, but your assessment is somewhat hyperbolic. Also - I think really you mean getting out of London generally - the stats you’ve shared are nowhere near the highest, South Kensington had more in total this month. London in general is a hive of gangs and crime. Croydon is the largest borough by population, with some of the poorest residents. The crime figures are always going to be above average with that demographic, however the picture you paint does not apply to the average resident. I live 10 minutes from the station, just off what you could describe as one of the less aesthetically pleasing areas but I’ve never had any issues. I’ve had more problems living in the shires than I have had here. Plenty of wronguns in both locations. Difference is here they usually target each other.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm)

Ah go after the employment history of a hard working immigrant & were not discussing SW7 are we.
There was 1136 crimes reported in Croydon (within 1 mile of my old address) for just last month this is appalling.
Do we not count as your average Croydon residents? I guess some are more average than others.
I have had a knife pulled on me twice, once because I glanced briefly at some bellend's missus & secondly just a gang of feral youths as I was walking past them pulled a knife out quite obviously to intimidate me as I walked past.

My mums house (again West Croydon) had the door kicked in whilst a gang of black men helped themselves to whatever they wanted, one held a machete to my mums throat damn near severing her thumb, my brother at the time was also living there he was also robbed, in a sweet twist of fate about a year ago a man got murdered in Croydon it turned out the one that got murdered is the one that held a machete to my mums throat.
My Nephew a resident of West Croydon had a gun pulled on him in old town and was forced to hand over his wallet.
You should take a walk down the alleyway system from Waddon Marsh tram stop to the housing estate it connects to, its an eye opener as to the amount of fly tipping and dumping of s*** that goes on there, the council would come along scoop up the mattresses and old sofa's once a month and its usually hours before it starts to fill up with peoples s*** again, the biggest irony is the dump site that is literally a 5 minute walk away.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Nov 20 9.50pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Well said, i have to add i have never had any tropuble in centrale, top floor or otherwise! Really your take from my post is a tongue in cheek reference of Jumanji? the reason there is no trouble on the top floor of Centrale is because its completely abandoned, Shopping centres have had their day in the sun, Croydon council chasing after those £££ by buttering up Westfield was always doomed. Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Nov 2020 9.52pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Nov 20 9.50pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Well said, i have to add i have never had any tropuble in centrale, top floor or otherwise!

Really your take from my post is a tongue in cheek reference of Jumanji? the reason there is no trouble on the top floor of Centrale is because its completely abandoned, Shopping centres have had their day in the sun, Croydon council chasing after those £££ by buttering up Westfield was always doomed.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Nov 2020 9.52pm)

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jeeagles 12 Nov 20 9.53pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia. No one is making out Croydon is the safest place on earth, but your assessment is somewhat hyperbolic. Also - I think really you mean getting out of London generally - the stats you’ve shared are nowhere near the highest, South Kensington had more in total this month. London in general is a hive of gangs and crime. Croydon is the largest borough by population, with some of the poorest residents. The crime figures are always going to be above average with that demographic, however the picture you paint does not apply to the average resident. I live 10 minutes from the station, just off what you could describe as one of the less aesthetically pleasing areas but I’ve never had any issues. I’ve had more problems living in the shires than I have had here. Plenty of wronguns in both locations. Difference is here they usually target each other. Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm) When the benchmark is based on a comparison with the absolute worst place you know there's a major problem. Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland.
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12 Nov 20 9.53pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm)

When the benchmark is based on a comparison with the absolute worst place you know there's a major problem.

Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.04pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Ah go after the employment history of a hard working immigrant & were not discussing SW7 are we. There was 1136 crimes reported in Croydon (within 1 mile of my old address) for just last month this is appalling. Do we not count as your average Croydon residents? I guess some are more average than others. I have had a knife pulled on me twice, once because I glanced briefly at some bellend's missus & secondly just a gang of feral youths as I was walking past them pulled a knife out quite obviously to intimidate me as I walked past. My mums house (again West Croydon) had the door kicked in whilst a gang of black men helped themselves to whatever they wanted, one held a machete to my mums throat damn near severing her thumb, my brother at the time was also living there he was also robbed, in a sweet twist of fate about a year ago a man got murdered in Croydon it turned out the one that got murdered is the one that held a machete to my mums throat. My Nephew a resident of West Croydon had a gun pulled on him in old town and was forced to hand over his wallet. You should take a walk down the alleyway system from Waddon Marsh tram stop to the housing estate it connects to, its an eye opener as to the amount of fly tipping and dumping of s* that goes on there, the council would come along scoop up the mattresses and old sofa's once a month and its usually hours before it starts to fill up with peoples s* again, the biggest irony is the dump site that is literally a 5 minute walk away. Not going after anything, just stating a fact No we’re not but if you’re being selective with stats be prepared for comparisons to give context. And in this case South Kensington had 1230 to 1136. It’s London generally. As terrible as your experiences are, they’re extreme - you’d be hard pushed to claim it as the average for every resident - also, if you live near to council estates or concentrated areas of impoverishment anywhere in London, what do you expect? Some parts of west Croydon are undoubtably terrible, but there are areas equal to or worse than across London. Just because of that, does it mean the entirety of Croydon is the same? No. It’s a massive borough. I think you mean central and west Croydon. And even then, specific parts of it. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.04pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Not going after anything, just stating a fact

No we’re not but if you’re being selective with stats be prepared for comparisons to give context. And in this case South Kensington had 1230 to 1136. It’s London generally.

As terrible as your experiences are, they’re extreme - you’d be hard pushed to claim it as the average for every resident - also, if you live near to council estates or concentrated areas of impoverishment anywhere in London, what do you expect?

Some parts of west Croydon are undoubtably terrible, but there are areas equal to or worse than across London. Just because of that, does it mean the entirety of Croydon is the same? No. It’s a massive borough. I think you mean central and west Croydon. And even then, specific parts of it.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Nov 20 10.07pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia. No one is making out Croydon is the safest place on earth, but your assessment is somewhat hyperbolic. Also - I think really you mean getting out of London generally - the stats you’ve shared are nowhere near the highest, South Kensington had more in total this month. London in general is a hive of gangs and crime. Croydon is the largest borough by population, with some of the poorest residents. The crime figures are always going to be above average with that demographic, however the picture you paint does not apply to the average resident. I live 10 minutes from the station, just off what you could describe as one of the less aesthetically pleasing areas but I’ve never had any issues. I’ve had more problems living in the shires than I have had here. Plenty of wronguns in both locations. Difference is here they usually target each other. Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm) Actually I am curious you mentioned you live 10 minutes from the Station, East or West? The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Nov 20 10.07pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

To be fair if I had to work two jobs and they were in five guys and greggs I’d have to consider moving to Slovakia.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Nov 2020 8.42pm)

Actually I am curious you mentioned you live 10 minutes from the Station, East or West?

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Matov 12 Nov 20 10.10pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland. Over the last 6 months or so been weighing up some options about how our future pans out and one of the potential, and it is still very much sketched out on the back of an envelope thinking, is maybe selling up in London and using part of the money to buy a small place up in Seaburn, which is a suburb of Sunderland. Lovely stretch of coast line, good links into Newcastle, in short nowhere near as bad as people make out. Now it probably will not happen that way but even so, I was surprised at how nice it looks up there. I want to spend a lot more time abroad but want to keep a foothold in the UK and there are worse places than the NE coast. Give me that over most of Croydon north of the flyover now. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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12 Nov 20 10.10pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland.

Over the last 6 months or so been weighing up some options about how our future pans out and one of the potential, and it is still very much sketched out on the back of an envelope thinking, is maybe selling up in London and using part of the money to buy a small place up in Seaburn, which is a suburb of Sunderland. Lovely stretch of coast line, good links into Newcastle, in short nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Now it probably will not happen that way but even so, I was surprised at how nice it looks up there. I want to spend a lot more time abroad but want to keep a foothold in the UK and there are worse places than the NE coast.

Give me that over most of Croydon north of the flyover now.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.12pm
Originally posted by jeeagles When the benchmark is based on a comparison with the absolute worst place you know there's a major problem. Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland. South Kensington? I’m pretty sure I could find multiple areas in London that are worse than where he lived, which incidentally is the same (CR0) postcode as where I live. It’s perfectly understandable to develop confirmation bias, especially in this case, but as always it does not equate to reality. Obviously this goes on a lot but does it mean it’s the average experience across the borough? No. Absolutely not. It also never ceases to amaze me the amount of people on here who don’t actually live in Croydon, making consistently negative comments that are often not based on actual, day to day experience. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.12pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

When the benchmark is based on a comparison with the absolute worst place you know there's a major problem.

Its pretty much like boasting about being better than Sunderland.

South Kensington? I’m pretty sure I could find multiple areas in London that are worse than where he lived, which incidentally is the same (CR0) postcode as where I live. It’s perfectly understandable to develop confirmation bias, especially in this case, but as always it does not equate to reality. Obviously this goes on a lot but does it mean it’s the average experience across the borough? No. Absolutely not.

It also never ceases to amaze me the amount of people on here who don’t actually live in Croydon, making consistently negative comments that are often not based on actual, day to day experience.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.17pm
Originally posted by Matov Over the last 6 months or so been weighing up some options about how our future pans out and one of the potential, and it is still very much sketched out on the back of an envelope thinking, is maybe selling up in London and using part of the money to buy a small place up in Seaburn, which is a suburb of Sunderland. Lovely stretch of coast line, good links into Newcastle, in short nowhere near as bad as people make out. Now it probably will not happen that way but even so, I was surprised at how nice it looks up there. I want to spend a lot more time abroad but want to keep a foothold in the UK and there are worse places than the NE coast. Give me that over most of Croydon north of the flyover now. Again - I assume the comparison was with the city. Although I would argue you don’t need to move that far north simply to find your own slice of suburbia. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.17pm

Originally posted by Matov

Give me that over most of Croydon north of the flyover now.

Again - I assume the comparison was with the city. Although I would argue you don’t need to move that far north simply to find your own slice of suburbia.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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BarEagle Monmouth 12 Nov 20 10.18pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Self-enrichment is a big claim. I am more inclined to cock up than conspiracy, after all this is local government. Or do you have proof? Just my well earned and self-indulgent opinion based on my own experience
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Monmouth 12 Nov 20 10.18pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Self-enrichment is a big claim. I am more inclined to cock up than conspiracy, after all this is local government. Or do you have proof?

Just my well earned and self-indulgent opinion based on my own experience

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.22pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Actually I am curious you mentioned you live 10 minutes from the Station, East or West? Ward is Addiscombe West 10 minutes walk, not drive, from the station Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Nov 20 10.22pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Actually I am curious you mentioned you live 10 minutes from the Station, East or West?

Ward is Addiscombe West

10 minutes walk, not drive, from the station

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Nov 20 10.27pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC South Kensington? I’m pretty sure I could find multiple areas in London that are worse than where he lived, which incidentally is the same (CR0) postcode as where I live. It’s perfectly understandable to develop confirmation bias, especially in this case, but as always it does not equate to reality. Obviously this goes on a lot but does it mean it’s the average experience across the borough? No. Absolutely not. It also never ceases to amaze me the amount of people on here who don’t actually live in Croydon, making consistently negative comments that are often not based on actual, day to day experience. Ah so you're 10 minutes from West Croydon station. nearly 40 reported crimes happening literally all around you a day and your reaction is to hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. I was also living in Croydon as recent as 2 years ago. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Nov 20 10.27pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It also never ceases to amaze me the amount of people on here who don’t actually live in Croydon, making consistently negative comments that are often not based on actual, day to day experience.

Ah so you're 10 minutes from West Croydon station.
nearly 40 reported crimes happening literally all around you a day and your reaction is to hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
I was also living in Croydon as recent as 2 years ago.

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Matov 12 Nov 20 10.29pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Again - I assume the comparison was with the city. Although I would argue you don’t need to move that far north simply to find your own slice of suburbia. As I grow older I have a strange hankering for coast-line. And I quite like the idea of those wild beaches in that part of the world. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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12 Nov 20 10.29pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Again - I assume the comparison was with the city. Although I would argue you don’t need to move that far north simply to find your own slice of suburbia.

As I grow older I have a strange hankering for coast-line. And I quite like the idea of those wild beaches in that part of the world.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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