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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 9.54am
Originally posted by cryrst Theresa may offered the 48 a sensible deal. Which would not have gone well with hard bits of the 52 but your democratically elected representatives (mainly labour) knocked it back. Now moaning about a 'hard' brexit is a bit ironic. Did you back May's deal? With due respect you are missing the point. But yes I did back May's "deal" as being preferable to "no deal". For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 9.54am

Originally posted by cryrst

Theresa may offered the 48 a sensible deal.
Which would not have gone well with hard bits of the 52 but your democratically elected representatives (mainly labour) knocked it back.
Now moaning about a 'hard' brexit is a bit ironic.
Did you back May's deal?

With due respect you are missing the point.

But yes I did back May's "deal" as being preferable to "no deal".

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 20 10.48am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle With due respect you are missing the point. But yes I did back May's "deal" as being preferable to "no deal". Thats a first with due respect and all. Explain the point that I missed. We havent got no deal...yet.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Feb 20 10.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

With due respect you are missing the point.

But yes I did back May's "deal" as being preferable to "no deal".

Thats a first with due respect and all.
Explain the point that I missed.

We havent got no deal...yet.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Feb 20 11.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Mostly on the devolution of responsibility away from Westminster and none binding. Any efforts to involve the people, and hold consultations on regional issues, are not unreasonable but Parliament is where decisions must be made. But democracy is a system of government in which power is held either by the people OR their elected representatives.
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Teddy Eagle

16 Feb 20 11.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Mostly on the devolution of responsibility away from Westminster and none binding. Any efforts to involve the people, and hold consultations on regional issues, are not unreasonable but Parliament is where decisions must be made.

But democracy is a system of government in which power is held either by the people OR their elected representatives.

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Stirlingsays 16 Feb 20 11.51am
I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it. This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Feb 20 11.51am

I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it.

This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Feb 20 12.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it. This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red. Perfectly summed up as I just said on the BBC thread. There was ample opportunity for those on the Remain side to compromise yet they went for broke. Yes the ERG group also weren't very flexible but there were enough votes that a sensible deal would have sidelined them. And let us not forget there was a moment when Johnson lost his court case and the opposition parties discussed forming a government of unity to oust him. They blew it because of selfish political and personal reasons allowing Johnson to call a GE which was then game over. Edited by Badger11 (16 Feb 2020 12.06pm) One more point
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Beckenham 16 Feb 20 12.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it.

This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red.

Perfectly summed up as I just said on the BBC thread. There was ample opportunity for those on the Remain side to compromise yet they went for broke. Yes the ERG group also weren't very flexible but there were enough votes that a sensible deal would have sidelined them.

And let us not forget there was a moment when Johnson lost his court case and the opposition parties discussed forming a government of unity to oust him. They blew it because of selfish political and personal reasons allowing Johnson to call a GE which was then game over.

Edited by Badger11 (16 Feb 2020 12.06pm)

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 20 1.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it. This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red. Be in no doubt he is frantically searching all his Brexit posts right now to prove you wrong. Some riddle will emerge from circa 2018 or something.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Feb 20 1.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't remember WE on here vocally backing MPs to vote for May's deal at the time....but maybe I missed it.

This is more likely a case of remainer's remorse......bet it all on black and it came out red.

Be in no doubt he is frantically searching all his Brexit posts right now to prove you wrong.
Some riddle will emerge from circa 2018 or something.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 1.55pm
Originally posted by cryrst Thats a first with due respect and all. Explain the point that I missed. We havent got no deal...yet. The point was about the divisive way our society has developed and who and what is responsible. Not about Brexit. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 1.55pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Thats a first with due respect and all.
Explain the point that I missed.

We havent got no deal...yet.

The point was about the divisive way our society has developed and who and what is responsible. Not about Brexit.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 2.00pm
Originally posted by cryrst Be in no doubt he is frantically searching all his Brexit posts right now to prove you wrong. Some riddle will emerge from circa 2018 or something. I have no need to do that. I can remember what my view was then perfectly well. I wanted Parliament to do it's duty and take control but if the option was going to be a choice between no deal or the May deal then the latter was always preferable. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 2.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Be in no doubt he is frantically searching all his Brexit posts right now to prove you wrong.
Some riddle will emerge from circa 2018 or something.

I have no need to do that. I can remember what my view was then perfectly well. I wanted Parliament to do it's duty and take control but if the option was going to be a choice between no deal or the May deal then the latter was always preferable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 20 3.33pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have no need to do that. I can remember what my view was then perfectly well. I wanted Parliament to do it's duty and take control but if the option was going to be a choice between no deal or the May deal then the latter was always preferable. Clearly a preference isnt a firm choice. Parliament did its duty. You sat on the fence.
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The garden of England 16 Feb 20 3.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Clearly a preference isnt a firm choice.
Parliament did its duty.
You sat on the fence.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 20 3.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The point was about the divisive way our society has developed and who and what is responsible. Not about Brexit. You brought brexit and the 48 in as an example of how divisive our society is. Why not grooming gangs or hs2?
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The garden of England 16 Feb 20 3.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The point was about the divisive way our society has developed and who and what is responsible. Not about Brexit.

You brought brexit and the 48 in as an example of how divisive our society is.
Why not grooming gangs or hs2?

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Stirlingsays 16 Feb 20 3.47pm
Originally posted by cryrst Clearly a preference isnt a firm choice. Parliament did its duty. You sat on the fence. Yep, there was never a 'May's deal' or 'No Brexit' choice on the offer. It was take May's deal or take the consequences....whether that was no deal or remain or anything else. That's why the Brexiteers, including Johnson, ended up voting for May's deal at its last reading....It was a deal that nobody really wanted, but they were willing to compromise....the remainers weren't. I don't remember WE or people like Maple supporting the voting for May's deal at any of its votes when they happened....We were all here on Hol....They were full on for closing Brexit down. I think I'm correct in that. In other words they bet it all on black and now that's it's come out red...Now we get the disingenuous language and revisionism.....Now they want the victors to be reasonable. You know exactly how they would be if the boot was on the other foot. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2020 3.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Feb 20 3.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Clearly a preference isnt a firm choice.
Parliament did its duty.
You sat on the fence.

Yep, there was never a 'May's deal' or 'No Brexit' choice on the offer.

It was take May's deal or take the consequences....whether that was no deal or remain or anything else.

That's why the Brexiteers, including Johnson, ended up voting for May's deal at its last reading....It was a deal that nobody really wanted, but they were willing to compromise....the remainers weren't.

I don't remember WE or people like Maple supporting the voting for May's deal at any of its votes when they happened....We were all here on Hol....They were full on for closing Brexit down. I think I'm correct in that.

In other words they bet it all on black and now that's it's come out red...Now we get the disingenuous language and revisionism.....Now they want the victors to be reasonable.

You know exactly how they would be if the boot was on the other foot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2020 3.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 4.42pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But democracy is a system of government in which power is held either by the people OR their elected representatives. Of course, and our's is the latter. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 20 4.42pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But democracy is a system of government in which power is held either by the people OR their elected representatives.

Of course, and our's is the latter.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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