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georgenorman 06 Feb 20 6.05pm
Originally posted by serial thriller This is like arguing with someone about aliens making the pyramids, but with less evidence and self-critical analysis. But your 'evidence' is saying millions of civilians have been killed in the so called war on terror when the figure is around 244,000.
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georgenorman

06 Feb 20 6.05pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is like arguing with someone about aliens making the pyramids, but with less evidence and self-critical analysis.

But your 'evidence' is saying millions of civilians have been killed in the so called war on terror when the figure is around 244,000.

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jeeagles 06 Feb 20 6.34pm
Fun topic. Let's break this down a bit to look at the core issues and root cause. 1) It's far more difficult than it should be to expel a pupil. Teachers have next to no power any more. Disruptive kids waist the teachers time and affect the learning of other kids. Putting other children and teachers at risk and wasting tax payers money. 2) Children from all backgrounds get expelled. Some kids from poor backgrounds who's heads are more easily turned. Some kids from rich backgrounds whos parents have taught them they have a right to do what ever they want. Whilst plenty of kids from all sorts of backgrounds just get on with things. So the root of this issue isn't with race or poverty or culture, the are peripheral issues. The main cause is little s* kids and parents who enable them. 3) Parents of rich kids getting expelled probably blame their kids issues on everyone but themselves. Dyslexia, ADHD, bad teachers, pollution, sugar in drinks. They will blame everyone but themselves. However, not every kid with dyslexia/ADHD is getting expelled. So that's just bulls. 4) At some point something gets in a kids head and tells them that they are different and they dont have to comply. Eg. They are rich and better than everyone else, they are poor and no one cares, immigrants took there jobs, there from a different background and everyones racist etc etc. Weak parenting and overstretched schools will struggle to combat this. It's a system of blaming others and it is a s excuse. 5) Refer to previous points and take some accountability for your little s*. Consider how many people from loads of backgrounds dont get expelled before trying to blame society. Spare a thought for those struggling to get by but cause no problems whilst having to put up with the antisocial behaviour of others.
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jeeagles

06 Feb 20 6.34pm

Fun topic.

Let's break this down a bit to look at the core issues and root cause.

1) It's far more difficult than it should be to expel a pupil. Teachers have next to no power any more. Disruptive kids waist the teachers time and affect the learning of other kids. Putting other children and teachers at risk and wasting tax payers money.

2) Children from all backgrounds get expelled. Some kids from poor backgrounds who's heads are more easily turned. Some kids from rich backgrounds whos parents have taught them they have a right to do what ever they want. Whilst plenty of kids from all sorts of backgrounds just get on with things. So the root of this issue isn't with race or poverty or culture, the are peripheral issues. The main cause is little s*** kids and parents who enable them.

3) Parents of rich kids getting expelled probably blame their kids issues on everyone but themselves. Dyslexia, ADHD, bad teachers, pollution, sugar in drinks. They will blame everyone but themselves.

However, not every kid with dyslexia/ADHD is getting expelled. So that's just bulls***.

4) At some point something gets in a kids head and tells them that they are different and they dont have to comply. Eg. They are rich and better than everyone else, they are poor and no one cares, immigrants took there jobs, there from a different background and everyones racist etc etc. Weak parenting and overstretched schools will struggle to combat this. It's a system of blaming others and it is a s*** excuse.

5) Refer to previous points and take some accountability for your little s***. Consider how many people from loads of backgrounds dont get expelled before trying to blame society. Spare a thought for those struggling to get by but cause no problems whilst having to put up with the antisocial behaviour of others.

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Feb 20 7.31pm
Is the black on black kids killing each other societies fault. I dont want these kids dying but they seem to get off on the kudos of gang culture. Maybe getting excluded gives them more gang time. Any figures on the link between gangs and excluded black kids. At a guess I think there probably is.
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cryrst

The garden of England 06 Feb 20 7.31pm

Is the black on black kids killing each other societies fault.
I dont want these kids dying but they seem to get off on the kudos of gang culture.
Maybe getting excluded gives them more gang time.
Any figures on the link between gangs and excluded black kids.
At a guess I think there probably is.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 20 7.39pm
Originally posted by cryrst Is the black on black kids killing each other societies fault. I dont want these kids dying but they seem to get off on the kudos of gang culture. Maybe getting excluded gives them more gang time. Any figures on the link between gangs and excluded black kids. At a guess I think there probably is. Yes there is. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Feb 20 7.39pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes there is.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 20 7.41pm
In the Asian families, ok they have solid family units, the children know or have instilled in them that they have to do better than white people to succeed. In the black community that is certainly not the case. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Feb 20 7.41pm

In the Asian families, ok they have solid family units, the children know or have instilled in them that they have to do better than white people to succeed. In the black community that is certainly not the case.

COYP

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Feb 20 7.54pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes there is. So everyone elses fault then. Great how that twists around to not having to take responsibility for yourself.
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The garden of England 06 Feb 20 7.54pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes there is.

So everyone elses fault then.
Great how that twists around to not having to take responsibility for yourself.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 06 Feb 20 8.30pm
another thread for sterling to salivate over and drag his knuckles thru...yay. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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another thread for sterling to salivate over and drag his knuckles thru...yay.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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deetee 06 Feb 20 8.37pm
My daughter who is a senior school teacher says the majority of disruptive pupils are black. There is nothing racist in this statement just fact.
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deetee

06 Feb 20 8.37pm

My daughter who is a senior school teacher says the majority of disruptive pupils are black.
There is nothing racist in this statement just fact.

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ex hibitionist Hastings 06 Feb 20 8.57pm
Originally posted by deetee My daughter who is a senior school teacher says the majority of disruptive pupils are black. There is nothing racist in this statement just fact. it is a fact, and I do understand the frustration of people who hear 'snowflakes' in denial accusing people who point out facts as racist, the point is the causal link, black pigmentation does not lead to a greater urge to stab, nor does white skin make you more likely to commit football hooliganism or brown skin make you more likely to sell heroin and pimp teenage white girls, but these problems are 99% to be found in the black (west indian), white (working class English) or Asian (pakistani criminal) communities - there is a liberal element who are so s*** scared of being racist that they deny obvious problems - but these are basically cultural problems not ethnic ones, and a certain type of lefty, not my type btw, push people into the arms of Trump and his ilk by not treating anti white racism as equivalent - some of the stuff middle class respectable journalists have written about the Wayne Rooneys or David Beckhams of this world has been at least as hateful and discriminatory as Trump and his wall etc saying they are basically white trash. There is a chance for common ground and progress if conservatives don't associate cause and effect with colour instead of culture and liberals stop denying that a greater proportion of west indian men are likely to be single fathers, likewise white guys tribal thugs and north western Asians drug suppliers and pimps without tarnishing people in general from different communities.
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Originally posted by deetee

My daughter who is a senior school teacher says the majority of disruptive pupils are black.
There is nothing racist in this statement just fact.

it is a fact, and I do understand the frustration of people who hear 'snowflakes' in denial accusing people who point out facts as racist, the point is the causal link, black pigmentation does not lead to a greater urge to stab, nor does white skin make you more likely to commit football hooliganism or brown skin make you more likely to sell heroin and pimp teenage white girls, but these problems are 99% to be found in the black (west indian), white (working class English) or Asian (pakistani criminal) communities - there is a liberal element who are so s*** scared of being racist that they deny obvious problems - but these are basically cultural problems not ethnic ones, and a certain type of lefty, not my type btw, push people into the arms of Trump and his ilk by not treating anti white racism as equivalent - some of the stuff middle class respectable journalists have written about the Wayne Rooneys or David Beckhams of this world has been at least as hateful and discriminatory as Trump and his wall etc saying they are basically white trash. There is a chance for common ground and progress if conservatives don't associate cause and effect with colour instead of culture and liberals stop denying that a greater proportion of west indian men are likely to be single fathers, likewise white guys tribal thugs and north western Asians drug suppliers and pimps without tarnishing people in general from different communities.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 20 10.44pm
Originally posted by serial thriller This is like arguing with someone about aliens making the pyramids, but with less evidence and self-critical analysis. Interesting analogy with a lot of truth in it. Not just though in this particular thread. I experience the same kind of responses quite frequently. I have just read through the various comments and it's good to read your's, which come from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about, making a mockery of someone who accepts pseudoscience as fact without actual evidence. To do so politely and without rancour does you credit. The "rinsing" belongs to you. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 20 10.44pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is like arguing with someone about aliens making the pyramids, but with less evidence and self-critical analysis.

Interesting analogy with a lot of truth in it. Not just though in this particular thread. I experience the same kind of responses quite frequently.

I have just read through the various comments and it's good to read your's, which come from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about, making a mockery of someone who accepts pseudoscience as fact without actual evidence. To do so politely and without rancour does you credit. The "rinsing" belongs to you.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Feb 20 11.28pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Interesting analogy with a lot of truth in it. Not just though in this particular thread. I experience the same kind of responses quite frequently. I have just read through the various comments and it's good to read your's, which come from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about, making a mockery of someone who accepts pseudoscience as fact without actual evidence. To do so politely and without rancour does you credit. The "rinsing" belongs to you. I was enjoying reading this post until you popped up. So a poster who you agree with knows what they are talking about but if you don’t agree with them, they don’t. How predictable you are
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Horsham 06 Feb 20 11.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Interesting analogy with a lot of truth in it. Not just though in this particular thread. I experience the same kind of responses quite frequently.

I was enjoying reading this post until you popped up. So a poster who you agree with knows what they are talking about but if you don’t agree with them, they don’t. How predictable you are

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cryrst The garden of England 07 Feb 20 5.53am
Originally posted by ex hibitionist it is a fact, and I do understand the frustration of people who hear 'snowflakes' in denial accusing people who point out facts as racist, the point is the causal link, black pigmentation does not lead to a greater urge to stab, nor does white skin make you more likely to commit football hooliganism or brown skin make you more likely to sell heroin and pimp teenage white girls, but these problems are 99% to be found in the black (west indian), white (working class English) or Asian (pakistani criminal) communities - there is a liberal element who are so s*** scared of being racist that they deny obvious problems - but these are basically cultural problems not ethnic ones, and a certain type of lefty, not my type btw, push people into the arms of Trump and his ilk by not treating anti white racism as equivalent - some of the stuff middle class respectable journalists have written about the Wayne Rooneys or David Beckhams of this world has been at least as hateful and discriminatory as Trump and his wall etc saying they are basically white trash. There is a chance for common ground and progress if conservatives don't associate cause and effect with colour instead of culture and liberals stop denying that a greater proportion of west indian men are likely to be single fathers, likewise white guys tribal thugs and north western Asians drug suppliers and pimps without tarnishing people in general from different communities. Anyone who tries to do a serious examination of culture over behaviour in all walks of life is immediately shut down. Labelled racist and sacked. This is why people come up with their own theories.
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cryrst

The garden of England 07 Feb 20 5.53am

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Anyone who tries to do a serious examination of culture over behaviour in all walks of life is immediately shut down.
Labelled racist and sacked.
This is why people come up with their own theories.

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