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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Oct 19 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Exactly. Love watching him at PMQs, took the SNP to the cleaners today....brilliant I have more than two brain cells and blame Johnson entirely for the brexit fiasco. He is the PM who else, he has been a disaster for brexit, I should be happy as it is quite likely a remain parliament will be returned. His 'deal' is so bad he can't bear anyone looking at it, 'proroguing, 'ditches', 'do or die', all utter nonsense, had no time to do it at the end because he had wasted so much time. At one point he was not prepared to meet Junckers in Brussels, and was ambushed by the Luxembourg PM. But he was soon back at Brussels posing as a deal maker when he had only given even more away to the EU. I think the SNP, as completely untrustworthy as Johnson, will comfortably survive his bluster and clownishness behaviour at PMQs or anywhere else. Probably wipe the tories out in Scotland.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 30 Oct 19 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I have more than two brain cells and blame Johnson entirely for the brexit fiasco. He is the PM who else, he has been a disaster for brexit, I should be happy as it is quite likely a remain parliament will be returned. His 'deal' is so bad he can't bear anyone looking at it, 'proroguing, 'ditches', 'do or die', all utter nonsense, had no time to do it at the end because he had wasted so much time. At one point he was not prepared to meet Junckers in Brussels, and was ambushed by the Luxembourg PM. But he was soon back at Brussels posing as a deal maker when he had only given even more away to the EU. I think the SNP, as completely untrustworthy as Johnson, will comfortably survive his bluster and clownishness behaviour at PMQs or anywhere else. Probably wipe the tories out in Scotland.
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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Oct 19 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Labour are a f@cking joke. They are meant to be the party of the people but have become the party of the minority’s. As a professional landlord I could be f@cked as Labour are proposing a ‘tenants right to buy scheme’ where tenants could then buy my houses off me at a discounted rate! Never mind I have spent the past 20 years working my ass off. My Mrs would also be f@cked as she works at a private school. Labour also want to abolish these which I find ludicrous as private school parents pay for their own kids tuition and so effectively cost the state nothing. I’m not particularly pro Tory but the current Labour bunch are Marxist bellends. I am against abolition of private schools it's called choice not every one who sends their kids there are posh but even if they were so what. What next abolish Harrods and make people shop in Primark? The only people this appeals to are the mean spirited, "that's a nice car so I'll scratch the paint work" type.
It's not just schools there are all sorts of dodgy organizations that claim charitable status and yet appear to do very little to warrant it. I think a complete review of how you qualify is in order.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Oct 19 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Article about MPs standing down. Some of them it is because of age or genuine outside interests. I will let you make your up mind up about the rest. Hint they were the loudest ones telling us they represented the views of their constituencies (they just don't fancy putting that to the test). Former tory Sam Gyimah has fecked off out of East Surrey to stand for the Lib Dem’s to try and overturn 11,000 votes vs Labour in Kensington.,Won’t be missed. Barely heard him mention the area before or once he got on tv. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Oct 2019 3.45pm)
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jeeagles 30 Oct 19 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Labour, the party for people who can’t succeed on their own and resents anyone that either does or tries to. If Corbyn campaigned effectively for remain during the referendum the remain would have one. He was utterly unconvincing during the whole thing as he is a eurosecptic and will try and say anything to get into power. He clearly stood for something he doesn't believe in to appease his party and didn't convince Labour voters in the north and Wales to remain. He's then blocked every attempt to try and make progress on Brexit, without posing any solutions. He's an aged Greta Thunburg in that respect. Labour have tried to oust him twice following losing elections as they know he's unelectable but can't budge him. He could have changed things at the last election, but got Labour's second worst result since Thatcher (a remarkable feet in opposition) against a hopeless Tory party lead by May. He then tried to claim this defeat as some kind of moral victory as the Tory's lost their majority. He's already had two attempts to prevent this mess. Failed both times and is still not presenting a clear option on how he proposes to deal with Brexit.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Oct 19 4.36pm | |
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The Tories, allegedly "the party of business", have utterly buttf*cked the self-employed, their core voter base. So they can f*ck off. Labour are dangerous and destructive and the Lib Dims are just a bunch of limp wristed ladyboys (especially the women). Fringe candidate for me, and the more insane the better.
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georgenorman 30 Oct 19 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am against abolition of private schools it's called choice not every one who sends their kids there are posh but even if they were so what. What next abolish Harrods and make people shop in Primark? The only people this appeals to are the mean spirited, "that's a nice car so I'll scratch the paint work" type. Where I do agree with Labour and they could get some traction is looking at the charitable status of many private schools. I think this is being abused because a select group of people are getting a tax break. My solution would be to tightened the rules so either the schools allowed greater access for lower income students or they gave up the charitable status and charged what they like. It's not just schools there are all sorts of dodgy organizations that claim charitable status and yet appear to do very little to warrant it. I think a complete review of how you qualify is in order. Where will the likes of Diane Abbott send their kids if they abolish private schools?
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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Oct 19 5.40pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
If Corbyn campaigned effectively for remain during the referendum the remain would have one. He was utterly unconvincing during the whole thing as he is a eurosecptic and will try and say anything to get into power. He clearly stood for something he doesn't believe in to appease his party and didn't convince Labour voters in the north and Wales to remain. He's then blocked every attempt to try and make progress on Brexit, without posing any solutions. He's an aged Greta Thunburg in that respect. Labour have tried to oust him twice following losing elections as they know he's unelectable but can't budge him. He could have changed things at the last election, but got Labour's second worst result since Thatcher (a remarkable feet in opposition) against a hopeless Tory party lead by May. He then tried to claim this defeat as some kind of moral victory as the Tory's lost their majority. He's already had two attempts to prevent this mess. Failed both times and is still not presenting a clear option on how he proposes to deal with Brexit. Labour policy is quite clear to me. No deal off to support an election - that has been done as Corbyn said. Brexit - labour will re-negotiate and submit to the people in a referendum if they want it, or to remain. The tories and libdems do not offer a people's choice , I cannot see anything wrong with labours current proposal.
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 19 6.17pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Labour policy is quite clear to me. No deal off to support an election - that has been done as Corbyn said. Brexit - labour will re-negotiate and submit to the people in a referendum if they want it, or to remain. The tories and libdems do not offer a people's choice , I cannot see anything wrong with labours current proposal. Which is in itself a good reason to vote for someone else.
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Matov 30 Oct 19 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit - labour will re-negotiate and submit to the people in a referendum if they want it, or to remain. And I look forward to hearing them singing this policy from the rooftops although given how shy Labour have been about elections, can we really believe them that they will put the country through another one in less than year?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 19 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have already been contacted by the Conservatives in relation to campaigning for the election, accordingly my presence on HOL will be somewhat limited as I concentrate my efforts in helping my beloved party. Serious question. Do you support and campaign for them whatever their current guise? In my lifetime I have seen the Tories led by Churchill, Macmillan, Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron and Johnson. Just to name a few who had markedly different approaches. I could support Churchill, Heath, Major and Cameron but never Thatcher or Johnson. Are you sufficiently in tune with the vicar of Bray that you could support them all?
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jeeagles 30 Oct 19 9.47pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Labour policy is quite clear to me. No deal off to support an election - that has been done as Corbyn said. Brexit - labour will re-negotiate and submit to the people in a referendum if they want it, or to remain. So, they are saying that the current deal isn't good enough, but they want to renegotiate, without specifying what they want to change, and no certainty as to what that deal will look like, or if the EU will be willing to negotiate at all. During these prolonged negotiations not only are they going to give away the leverage of a no deal, they are also going to weaken the negotiating position further by saying that anything they agree too might not be ratified, so if the EU give us a really bad deal, it will force us to remain....... If the first referendum wasn't toxic enough, let's put people through it all again and hope to get a different result. This is clear as mud, official policy, have no policy and drag everything out. Just like JC's calls to have an election every week for the past year, when it comes to it, the momentum controlled labour party have absolutely no substance or conviction. They are simply a bunch of activist without solutions. I heard a new word from Obama today. It was the Woke generation. People who continually call others out for any minor transgression solely so they can appear virtuous and claim they are helping the world, when actually they are just dividing everyone. Corbyn is going to get the Labour party destroyed and allow 5 more years of the Tories.... his supporters worst nightmare...... at least they will be able to go round being "woke" about it. They'll enjoy that.
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