Amazing how when it comes to abortion, they are all about preserving life and how do they do this? Shutting down all the clinics. I would argue that it's not the clinics that are responsible for the abortions, rather the mental state of the would be mothers. Why aren't they trying to solve the abortion 'problem' like they do with the guns. Oh wait, that's right, it's not a made up, out of date commandment, sorry, I mean constitutional right.

This will be the end of politics the way we know it, because, the only thing these people care about is winning an election, the rest is purely a show.

I never talked about justification so now who’s talking crap.

When an incident like this has just happened, I think it’s fairly ill-advised to post a link like that with no commentary or explanation as to why - it can appear you are trying to support something which I obviously know Stirling does not; if that was not clear from the tone of my post then I apologise to him.

Come on!

I'm against replacement certainly and I'm definitely against murdering people.

It was in reply to a certain poster's attempt to suggest that replacement isn't real.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 4.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I believe they should massively control guns in the states. It would have to be phased in relatively slowly. To appease the gun lobby I reckon a law which allowed gun clubs and the safe storage of licensed weapons would be necessary. There would then still be the right to own weapons but they wouldn't be in the streets. There would be gun crime still and these shootings can never be fully eliminated but at least the circulation of weapons would be drastically reduced.
It would probably require a several year period and long time of adjustment for any changes to take effect.
Countering anything the gun lobby seems incredibly strong in order to be able to ride out all of the killings. You would think anti gun campaigns would be so much bigger but I guess there's no funding for them.
I remember a Top Gear episode where it was explained that the Swiss are required to own guns by law - in order to defend their country. A bit like our old Statutes of Winchester or whatever it was. They seem to have no real gun crime, which is a stark contrast. Clarkson may not have been correct, of course.

Red and Blue Army!

I'm also against the idea of guns being owned easily by the private citizen. However, that's if you were starting with a clean slate.....But we aren't just starting America....So it's a whole new ball game.

Getting rid of guns in America would be a bloodbath....perhaps even a type of civil war.....there are more guns in the country than people....Many people...to varying degrees connect their guns with independence from the state.

You have to understand the extent of the division within American society on this issue.....it's a gun culture.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 4.27pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think when America goes full on Democrat in both houses then I can see them going for strong gun controls....because the Republicans just aren't getting back in again due to demographics.

Even with the terrible candidates like the Democrats have....most of whom are talking far left politics....the demographics still make it hard for Trump to win in 2020.

Personally I think it's 50/50 for the Republicans in 2020 and zero chance after that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)