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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 8.52am
Originally posted by cryrst Dont mix gay with trans. It is totally two different things and maybe even gay people are going to become a target for the left. Gays do not want to be physically the other sex and have been accepted by a huge majority for decades with no issues. The odd joke way back but I'm fat and have been 'hurt' ha ha. Trans people have a mental issue. It isnt physical. It can be sorted for a huge majority by counselling but society is slowly disabling this option. I wasn't. That was, in part at least, the point. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 8.52am

Originally posted by cryrst

Dont mix gay with trans.
It is totally two different things and maybe even gay people are going to become a target for the left.
Gays do not want to be physically the other sex and have been accepted by a huge majority for decades with no issues.
The odd joke way back but I'm fat and have been 'hurt' ha ha.
Trans people have a mental issue. It isnt physical.
It can be sorted for a huge majority by counselling but society is slowly disabling this option.

I wasn't. That was, in part at least, the point.

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dreamwaverider London 02 Aug 19 8.58am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Another thought provoking post. Is it the brain that is wrong or the body? And next, are either wrong? Or right? Again, well over my head. I’ll leave the answers to those who like to consider un answerables such as infinity. Answering my own questions cynically, I suppose one could say the answer lies with the specialist. Either the councillor or the surgeon. And who decides that for youngsters confused by their body/brain lack of harmony? I’m assuming the payer of the fees or has the NHS taken this on in its cash strapped state?
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Another thought provoking post. Is it the brain that is wrong or the body? And next, are either wrong? Or right?
Again, well over my head. I’ll leave the answers to those who like to consider un answerables such as infinity.

Answering my own questions cynically, I suppose one could say the answer lies with the specialist. Either the councillor or the surgeon.
And who decides that for youngsters confused by their body/brain lack of harmony? I’m assuming the payer of the fees or has the NHS taken this on in its cash strapped state?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 9.15am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Well that’s a problem I can live with. Are you trying to say that people don’t form opinions based on any personal bias? You might think that your self proclaimed objectivity puts you on a higher plane but it doesn’t. It prevents you having an opinion of your own; just a strange urge to argue with people who do. Now you’re going to argue with that which rather proves the point. Now you’ll say it doesn’t. See how this works? You completely miss the point! Of course people form opinions based upon their biases of personal perspectives or prejudices. The point I was raising was whether threads should state as fact such biased opinions in their titles. The thread titles here are predominately written by those with a hard right opinion as if they are fact. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Aug 2019 9.51am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 9.15am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well that’s a problem I can live with. Are you trying to say that people don’t form opinions based on any personal bias? You might think that your self proclaimed objectivity puts you on a higher plane but it doesn’t. It prevents you having an opinion of your own; just a strange urge to argue with people who do.
Now you’re going to argue with that which rather proves the point.
Now you’ll say it doesn’t.
See how this works?

You completely miss the point! Of course people form opinions based upon their biases of personal perspectives or prejudices.

The point I was raising was whether threads should state as fact such biased opinions in their titles. The thread titles here are predominately written by those with a hard right opinion as if they are fact.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Aug 2019 9.51am)

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W12 02 Aug 19 9.34am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you really need to ask that? Really? Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?" Make your own variant. You were refuting the fact that there are only two genders. What has that got to do with it? As far as I know the progressive view is that sexuality is not tied to gender (hence people are gay) and transgender are just people who see themselves as the opposite of their birth sex. Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google. There are only two sexes. The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you?
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W12 02 Aug 19 9.34am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really need to ask that? Really?

Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?"

Make your own variant.

You were refuting the fact that there are only two genders. What has that got to do with it? As far as I know the progressive view is that sexuality is not tied to gender (hence people are gay) and transgender are just people who see themselves as the opposite of their birth sex.

Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google.

There are only two sexes.

The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you?

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cryrst The garden of England 02 Aug 19 9.35am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle His 'crime' was saying this... "If you're three years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way and you think you're a boy or girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination then." He should never have apologised. Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 7.10pm) Ffs I had 2 sisters 2 years older than me. We used to get barbie and action man in the same room. The shame I'm feeling now for not realising I wanted my cock cut off and folded inside out or my sisters wanted a new bit. Are these parents really thinking that a 3 year old who plays with toys for a boy or a girl or dresses in the others clothes, means they have a feeling. They are 3 not bloody 13 or 23. Then it's a serious discussion but omg. What a load of old bull crap. It's the parents who need counselling not the chavvies.
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cryrst

The garden of England 02 Aug 19 9.35am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

His 'crime' was saying this... "If you're three years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way and you think you're a boy or girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination then."

He should never have apologised.

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 7.10pm)

Ffs I had 2 sisters 2 years older than me.
We used to get barbie and action man in the same room.
The shame I'm feeling now for not realising I wanted my cock cut off and folded inside out or my sisters wanted a new bit.
Are these parents really thinking that a 3 year old who plays with toys for a boy or a girl or dresses in the others clothes, means they have a feeling.
They are 3 not bloody 13 or 23.
Then it's a serious discussion but omg.
What a load of old bull crap.
It's the parents who need counselling not the chavvies.

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cryrst The garden of England 02 Aug 19 9.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I wasn't. That was, in part at least, the point. You mixed it though and you are quite fineky wissy. It should be why are they gay and why are they trans. Only following your modus operandi on posts for Analysing and discecting
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cryrst

The garden of England 02 Aug 19 9.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wasn't. That was, in part at least, the point.

You mixed it though and you are quite fineky wissy.
It should be why are they gay and why are they trans.
Only following your modus operandi on posts for
Analysing and discecting

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 10.01am
Originally posted by W12 You were refuting the fact that there are only two genders. What has that got to do with it? As far as I know the progressive view is that sexuality is not tied to gender (hence people are gay) and transgender are just people who see themselves as the opposite of their birth sex. Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google. There are only two sexes. The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you? I wasn't refuting anything! I was pointing out that the scientific consensus does. It had actually had nothing to do with trans people, and only to do with the idea that there are only two genders. No fantasy involved. Read the literature. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 10.01am

Originally posted by W12

Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google.

There are only two sexes.

The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you?

I wasn't refuting anything! I was pointing out that the scientific consensus does. It had actually had nothing to do with trans people, and only to do with the idea that there are only two genders. No fantasy involved. Read the literature.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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W12 02 Aug 19 10.13am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I wasn't refuting anything! I was pointing out that the scientific consensus does. It had actually had nothing to do with trans people, and only to do with the idea that there are only two genders. No fantasy involved. Read the literature. Anything can be justified with "words" if you are willing to ignore statistics and science.
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W12 02 Aug 19 10.13am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anything can be justified with "words" if you are willing to ignore statistics and science.

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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 19 10.32am
So 'centre right'. Scientists who would speak out have become quiet on speaking out on topics that provoke degenerate activists. Scientists who speak 'unpopular opinions' lose their jobs nowadays....because that's how the left work. And then we get the disingenuous telling us that this means that there is no disagreement. Up until quite recently the major organisations were talking very differently on these topics. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 10.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

02 Aug 19 10.32am

So 'centre right'.

Scientists who would speak out have become quiet on speaking out on topics that provoke degenerate activists.

Scientists who speak 'unpopular opinions' lose their jobs nowadays....because that's how the left work.

And then we get the disingenuous telling us that this means that there is no disagreement.

Up until quite recently the major organisations were talking very differently on these topics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 10.36am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 02 Aug 19 11.12am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You completely miss the point! Of course people form opinions based upon their biases of personal perspectives or prejudices. The point I was raising was whether threads should state as fact such biased opinions in their titles. The thread titles here are predominately written by those with a hard right opinion as if they are fact. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Aug 2019 9.51am) But that presupposes that your, or anyone else’s, concept of hard right or hard left actually applies to the original poster. There may be some “hard right” people here but not as many as you imply. In any case perhaps the thread title was ironic.
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Teddy Eagle

02 Aug 19 11.12am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You completely miss the point! Of course people form opinions based upon their biases of personal perspectives or prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Aug 2019 9.51am)

But that presupposes that your, or anyone else’s, concept of hard right or hard left actually applies to the original poster. There may be some “hard right” people here but not as many as you imply.
In any case perhaps the thread title was ironic.

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Teddy Eagle 02 Aug 19 11.16am
Originally posted by W12 You were refuting the fact that there are only two genders. What has that got to do with it? As far as I know the progressive view is that sexuality is not tied to gender (hence people are gay) and transgender are just people who see themselves as the opposite of their birth sex. Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google. There are only two sexes. The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you? There are only two sexes because anyone undergoing gender realignment still ends up as one or the other. It’s not as though there are dozens of choices.
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Teddy Eagle

02 Aug 19 11.16am

Originally posted by W12

Also, as if you are not going to get the usual progressive anti science nonsense answers as ranked by Google.

There are only two sexes.

The real question is why do I have to get dragged into these nonsense deluded fantasy arguments by people like you?

There are only two sexes because anyone undergoing gender realignment still ends up as one or the other. It’s not as though there are dozens of choices.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 11.33am
I have never known a real scientist lose their job for expressing an unpopular opinion, even if it runs counter to the general consensus. Challenging the status quo is what drives science forward. I have known pseudo scientists, often in the pay of interest groups, be ridiculed for promoting conspiracy theories dressed up as science. Just look at the climate science area for evidence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 19 11.33am

I have never known a real scientist lose their job for expressing an unpopular opinion, even if it runs counter to the general consensus. Challenging the status quo is what drives science forward.

I have known pseudo scientists, often in the pay of interest groups, be ridiculed for promoting conspiracy theories dressed up as science. Just look at the climate science area for evidence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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